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Foster children from UKIP supporters
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120
Rotherham Council have said "...the children were "not indigenous white British" and that it had concerns about UKIP's stance on immigration."
The obvious sub-text being the council feel UKIP and therefore UKIP's supporters are racist.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people manage to think that being concerned about immigration equals racism.
Leading question alert - Is the only prejudice shown in this sorry affair from Rotherham Council?
Rotherham Council have said "...the children were "not indigenous white British" and that it had concerns about UKIP's stance on immigration."
The obvious sub-text being the council feel UKIP and therefore UKIP's supporters are racist.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people manage to think that being concerned about immigration equals racism.
Leading question alert - Is the only prejudice shown in this sorry affair from Rotherham Council?
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The ban on them fostering is clearly wrong.
I hope it is not the policy that children have to be fostered by foster parents from the same ethnic background. Their colour, ethnicity should not matter as long as they end up with people who will care for them and love them.
If this couple sued the council for slander, I would think they would have a good chance of winning.
I hope it is not the policy that children have to be fostered by foster parents from the same ethnic background. Their colour, ethnicity should not matter as long as they end up with people who will care for them and love them.
If this couple sued the council for slander, I would think they would have a good chance of winning.
I doubt they'd have a case for slander, since all the council said was that they thought Ukip - not the couple themselves - were racist, and they seem to have said it only to the couple, not to others. It's the couple who've chosen to publish the allegation more widely, and "publication" to others is needed in cases of slander.
If I tell people you'e a fool, I may be slandering you. If I just tell you you're a fool, I have no case to answer.
As to the truth of the matter, who knows? Ukip does seem to draw its support from the same sort of people as the BNP
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So the council may have grounds for worrying about the couple's attitude to the children they foster; and their duty is to the children first, not to the foster parents. The story doesn't say where the children come from, but I would have thought, on the basis of the limited facts in the Telegraph, that the council at least have cause for concern.
If I tell people you'e a fool, I may be slandering you. If I just tell you you're a fool, I have no case to answer.
As to the truth of the matter, who knows? Ukip does seem to draw its support from the same sort of people as the BNP
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So the council may have grounds for worrying about the couple's attitude to the children they foster; and their duty is to the children first, not to the foster parents. The story doesn't say where the children come from, but I would have thought, on the basis of the limited facts in the Telegraph, that the council at least have cause for concern.
the Telegraph has a bit more on this with a quote from social services
"the fact of the matter is I have to look at the children's cultural and ethnic needs. The children have been in care proceedings before and the judge had previously criticised us for not looking after the children's cultural and ethnic needs, and we have had to really take that into consideration with the placement that they were in."
Asked what the specific problem was with the couple being Ukip members, Mrs Thacker told BBC Breakfast: "We have to think about the clear statements on ending multi-culturalism for example.
"These children are from EU migrant backgrounds and Ukip has very clear statements on ending multiculturalism, not having that going forward, and I have to think about how sensitive I am being to those children."
As usual, social workers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Who can blame them for being cautious?
"the fact of the matter is I have to look at the children's cultural and ethnic needs. The children have been in care proceedings before and the judge had previously criticised us for not looking after the children's cultural and ethnic needs, and we have had to really take that into consideration with the placement that they were in."
Asked what the specific problem was with the couple being Ukip members, Mrs Thacker told BBC Breakfast: "We have to think about the clear statements on ending multi-culturalism for example.
"These children are from EU migrant backgrounds and Ukip has very clear statements on ending multiculturalism, not having that going forward, and I have to think about how sensitive I am being to those children."
As usual, social workers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Who can blame them for being cautious?
Seek to defend the indefinsible
So basically "I've made up my mind on limited facts and anybody with an opion contrary to mine is 'certain people' and just wrong"
So arrogant post of the day award goes to thetaliesin
Having listened quite carefully to this I think neither side is being wholely honest.
This couple were in talks with the council over the matter
UKIP stands for ending multi-culturalism and the council have a legal obligation to lookafter the childrens cultural identities - if the couple couldn't commit to that then they clearly had to be moved.
Is UKIP a racist organisation?
close but probably not quite - they call for an end to multiculturalism
That may involve descriminating against people on grounds of their "culture" and that *could* have a racist element
So basically "I've made up my mind on limited facts and anybody with an opion contrary to mine is 'certain people' and just wrong"
So arrogant post of the day award goes to thetaliesin
Having listened quite carefully to this I think neither side is being wholely honest.
This couple were in talks with the council over the matter
UKIP stands for ending multi-culturalism and the council have a legal obligation to lookafter the childrens cultural identities - if the couple couldn't commit to that then they clearly had to be moved.
Is UKIP a racist organisation?
close but probably not quite - they call for an end to multiculturalism
That may involve descriminating against people on grounds of their "culture" and that *could* have a racist element
Can someone please explain exactly how multiculturalism could possibly be ended?
I ask, because even if Britain had absolutely no immigrants, it would still be a multicultural country (crofters working in the Scottish Highlands share very little culturally with data analysts from Peckham in London).
I ask, because even if Britain had absolutely no immigrants, it would still be a multicultural country (crofters working in the Scottish Highlands share very little culturally with data analysts from Peckham in London).
sp1814
/// Are the kids non white? ///
/// I gather From the BBC story that everyone involved is white.///
And isn't that what I put?
fostering non indigenous white children
/// Where have you got this bizarre idea that anyone is against cross-race fostering? ///
No one but you mentioned cross race fostering.
[i]She said the social worker told her: "We would not have placed these children with you had we known you were members of UKIP because it wouldn't have been the right cultural matchquote[
[i]Rotherham Borough Council said the children were "not indigenous white British" and that it had concerns about UKIP's stance on immigration]
/// Are the kids non white? ///
/// I gather From the BBC story that everyone involved is white.///
And isn't that what I put?
fostering non indigenous white children
/// Where have you got this bizarre idea that anyone is against cross-race fostering? ///
No one but you mentioned cross race fostering.
[i]She said the social worker told her: "We would not have placed these children with you had we known you were members of UKIP because it wouldn't have been the right cultural matchquote[
[i]Rotherham Borough Council said the children were "not indigenous white British" and that it had concerns about UKIP's stance on immigration]
thetaliesin
/// I can't help noticing that the left leaning idealogues here would never dream of using a word where 3 paragraphs will do.
Try to keep it short & pithy,chaps. ///
The 'left leaning ideologues' is a big give-away, so obviously you are not referring to the rather lengthy reply I gave to my friend sp1814?
/// I can't help noticing that the left leaning idealogues here would never dream of using a word where 3 paragraphs will do.
Try to keep it short & pithy,chaps. ///
The 'left leaning ideologues' is a big give-away, so obviously you are not referring to the rather lengthy reply I gave to my friend sp1814?
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