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/// Because the older generation refuse to discuss sex openly and instead turn it in to some dirty back room item!! ///
You do come up with some ridicules over generalisations in your failed attempt to have a go at the older generation.
The under aged pregnancies are taking place now, regardless of the fact that sex education is more in vogue today than it was in the past.
There wasn't the number of girl children becoming pregnant when there was a little less vivid sex education, why under aged girls are now being taught how to roll a contraceptive sheath onto a plastic penis.
So did that lesson teach anything? obviously not.
One can put it on par to lessons on litter dropping, do they learn anything? Just watch them when they are away from school, they are dropping litter all over the place.
/// Because the older generation refuse to discuss sex openly and instead turn it in to some dirty back room item!! ///
You do come up with some ridicules over generalisations in your failed attempt to have a go at the older generation.
The under aged pregnancies are taking place now, regardless of the fact that sex education is more in vogue today than it was in the past.
There wasn't the number of girl children becoming pregnant when there was a little less vivid sex education, why under aged girls are now being taught how to roll a contraceptive sheath onto a plastic penis.
So did that lesson teach anything? obviously not.
One can put it on par to lessons on litter dropping, do they learn anything? Just watch them when they are away from school, they are dropping litter all over the place.
//You do come up with some ridicules over generalisations in your failed attempt to have a go at the older generation.
The under aged pregnancies are taking place now, regardless of the fact that sex education is more in vogue today than it was in the past.
There wasn't the number of girl children becoming pregnant when there was a little less vivid sex education, why under aged girls are now being taught how to roll a contraceptive sheath onto a plastic penis. //
Whilst trying to have yet anothe dig a me AOG you have yet again showed your ignorance - there is very little sex education in schools - unlike when I was a school!
The under aged pregnancies are taking place now, regardless of the fact that sex education is more in vogue today than it was in the past.
There wasn't the number of girl children becoming pregnant when there was a little less vivid sex education, why under aged girls are now being taught how to roll a contraceptive sheath onto a plastic penis. //
Whilst trying to have yet anothe dig a me AOG you have yet again showed your ignorance - there is very little sex education in schools - unlike when I was a school!
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That as well Boxy...
AOG, sex is everywhere for the younger generation. Music videos are close to soft porn. Girls are copying this behaviour and boys are expecting it. Inhabitation's have been broken down. Blame MTV, Magazines and the internet. Parents are between a rock and a hard place but as it's happening we should teach them about the realities as best we can.
Like Boxy says...it's not all about sex. Body image plays a big part. Look at how many teenagers suffer with bulimia and anorexia...boys included.
AOG, sex is everywhere for the younger generation. Music videos are close to soft porn. Girls are copying this behaviour and boys are expecting it. Inhabitation's have been broken down. Blame MTV, Magazines and the internet. Parents are between a rock and a hard place but as it's happening we should teach them about the realities as best we can.
Like Boxy says...it's not all about sex. Body image plays a big part. Look at how many teenagers suffer with bulimia and anorexia...boys included.
I wonder if we are letting our Pavlovian responses - seriously stoked up by the Mail which has its crusading head on over this - run away with us.
Because of our deeply held and uncomfortable views about sex, it is very easy to run away with the notion that children will be given a seriously distorted view of sexual relations by the adult film indfustry.
But do we underestimate our young people?
There is a multi-billion dollar industry devoted to seriously violent computer games, but we trust our younger generation to be aware of the difference between computer graphics and real life.
Similarly, our UK soaps are an uremitting diet of misery, unpleasantness, ludicrous situations, and an all-pervading atmosphere of claustrophobia as every character explores the permutations of relationships with every other character, as well as trying a go at each and every workplace - in a scenario where the option of simply moving away and staying away never seems to occur to anyone.
Magazines present unrealistic impressions of role models, but society resolutely refuses to buckle under them, being more than able to see these cultural aspects for what they are - fictions with a place in life - but not real life.
If we extend that thinking to pornography - and try to avoid our in-built horror and embarassment, we may find that the upcoming gneration assimilate it in the way that we assimilated adult cinemas and magazines in the 1970's.
Yes it is more widely available than ever before - but so are guns, alcohol, heroin and canabis. So are good sexual health advice, tolerance, inclusion and optimism.
They all get accepted and blended in because that is how society evolves - don't lets get too carried away with the notion of a sexual armageddon - its not happened yet ... nor is it showing any serious signs.
Don't worry - the Mail will swing back to radical Muslims next week - business as usual.
Because of our deeply held and uncomfortable views about sex, it is very easy to run away with the notion that children will be given a seriously distorted view of sexual relations by the adult film indfustry.
But do we underestimate our young people?
There is a multi-billion dollar industry devoted to seriously violent computer games, but we trust our younger generation to be aware of the difference between computer graphics and real life.
Similarly, our UK soaps are an uremitting diet of misery, unpleasantness, ludicrous situations, and an all-pervading atmosphere of claustrophobia as every character explores the permutations of relationships with every other character, as well as trying a go at each and every workplace - in a scenario where the option of simply moving away and staying away never seems to occur to anyone.
Magazines present unrealistic impressions of role models, but society resolutely refuses to buckle under them, being more than able to see these cultural aspects for what they are - fictions with a place in life - but not real life.
If we extend that thinking to pornography - and try to avoid our in-built horror and embarassment, we may find that the upcoming gneration assimilate it in the way that we assimilated adult cinemas and magazines in the 1970's.
Yes it is more widely available than ever before - but so are guns, alcohol, heroin and canabis. So are good sexual health advice, tolerance, inclusion and optimism.
They all get accepted and blended in because that is how society evolves - don't lets get too carried away with the notion of a sexual armageddon - its not happened yet ... nor is it showing any serious signs.
Don't worry - the Mail will swing back to radical Muslims next week - business as usual.
Sorry should have provided a link earlier
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// The survey also shows 36% of people thought sexual relations between two adults of the same sex were "always or mostly" wrong, down from 62% in 1983. While older people may be less accepting than younger ones, the trends showed that all age groups had become more liberal in their outlook towards same-sex relationships.//
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// The survey also shows 36% of people thought sexual relations between two adults of the same sex were "always or mostly" wrong, down from 62% in 1983. While older people may be less accepting than younger ones, the trends showed that all age groups had become more liberal in their outlook towards same-sex relationships.//
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/// The UK has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe – seven times that of the Netherlands and double that of France or Germany. ///
I suspect that sex education in Dutch, German and French schools is at least as extensive as in ours so proving its positive not negative effect.
Under age pregnancies are now reducing in UK.
They started to rise after 60s liberation brought about largely by the pill; in the 1950s and before most girls were terrified of premarital sex because of the stigma of pregnancy.
Controlling a society by fear and stigma isn't something to be happy about. At the risk of 'generalising' the 50s was characterised by any number of nasty, dark fears and stigmas we are well rid of:
fear of incurable diseases
fear of unwarranted dismissal
fear of being trapped in a bad marriage
fear of prejudice and injustice
fear of arbitrary dismissal
fear that our idiot leaders were about to drag everyone into another world war that would destroy another generation as had happened twice before within just 40 years.
and the stigmas (so many of them)
of being different, of being working class, of having new ideas, being liberated or not conforming to the prevailing, stuffy authoritarian bullsh1t that the establishment were accustomed to foisting onto the British people.
Well that has all been sluiced away and good riddance.
we are much better off now than then in so many ways - we may have a new set of issues to deal with but none of them make the idea of dragging ourselves back into the 1950s anything but a depressing and rather perverse prospect.
Teach our kids to question what pornography is about?
Damn right - in the 40s and 50s we would have been teaching them how to avoid being killed by Germans, Japs, Koreans and Chinese.
I suspect that sex education in Dutch, German and French schools is at least as extensive as in ours so proving its positive not negative effect.
Under age pregnancies are now reducing in UK.
They started to rise after 60s liberation brought about largely by the pill; in the 1950s and before most girls were terrified of premarital sex because of the stigma of pregnancy.
Controlling a society by fear and stigma isn't something to be happy about. At the risk of 'generalising' the 50s was characterised by any number of nasty, dark fears and stigmas we are well rid of:
fear of incurable diseases
fear of unwarranted dismissal
fear of being trapped in a bad marriage
fear of prejudice and injustice
fear of arbitrary dismissal
fear that our idiot leaders were about to drag everyone into another world war that would destroy another generation as had happened twice before within just 40 years.
and the stigmas (so many of them)
of being different, of being working class, of having new ideas, being liberated or not conforming to the prevailing, stuffy authoritarian bullsh1t that the establishment were accustomed to foisting onto the British people.
Well that has all been sluiced away and good riddance.
we are much better off now than then in so many ways - we may have a new set of issues to deal with but none of them make the idea of dragging ourselves back into the 1950s anything but a depressing and rather perverse prospect.
Teach our kids to question what pornography is about?
Damn right - in the 40s and 50s we would have been teaching them how to avoid being killed by Germans, Japs, Koreans and Chinese.
i heard it from the horses mouth so to speak andy - on a TV show interviewing porn actors ... i didnt just make it up.
i know they have washing facilities but after many hours on set, under hot lights, bodily fluids dried and crusted onto hairs does not feel or look particularly attractive ... nor does it wipe off so easily without soaking ... and that is apparently why some began doing it... it has now obviously become a fashion and has caught on.
i dont agree that hairlessness is more desirable either ... i know plenty of people who prefer their genitals not to be similar so to prepubescent kids ... a great many prefer hair.
i know they have washing facilities but after many hours on set, under hot lights, bodily fluids dried and crusted onto hairs does not feel or look particularly attractive ... nor does it wipe off so easily without soaking ... and that is apparently why some began doing it... it has now obviously become a fashion and has caught on.
i dont agree that hairlessness is more desirable either ... i know plenty of people who prefer their genitals not to be similar so to prepubescent kids ... a great many prefer hair.
"But an alarming study last month revealed children as young as 11 are becoming addicted to internet pornography giving them 'unrealistic expectations' of sex"
Y'know what? I'm going to call bullsh1t on this. I want to see exactly what this evidence in this (completely unreferenced) study actually is.
As a user of porn since a young age - and I don't know anyone my own age who wasn't - I've found all the Mail's recent testimonies of 11-year-old children supposedly turned into salivating sex fiends purely by watching porn deeply unconvincing and blatantly agenda-driven. And no, I'm not convinced that the young man who raped a 9-year-old was driven to the act by watching porn.
It reminds me of the hysteria a few years ago about violent video games supposedly generating violent behaviour - an idea for which there has never, ever, ever, ever been a shred of convincing evidence. Entertainment is not nearly as formative/corrupting as we think it is - there's been one bogeyman or another threatening to do it for at least the past century and online porn is just the latest one.
As for whether it should be taught in schools - I don't see why not. If schools are meant to equip children with what they need to know to get on in life then yeah - porn seems like something perfectly valid for them to know about.
Y'know what? I'm going to call bullsh1t on this. I want to see exactly what this evidence in this (completely unreferenced) study actually is.
As a user of porn since a young age - and I don't know anyone my own age who wasn't - I've found all the Mail's recent testimonies of 11-year-old children supposedly turned into salivating sex fiends purely by watching porn deeply unconvincing and blatantly agenda-driven. And no, I'm not convinced that the young man who raped a 9-year-old was driven to the act by watching porn.
It reminds me of the hysteria a few years ago about violent video games supposedly generating violent behaviour - an idea for which there has never, ever, ever, ever been a shred of convincing evidence. Entertainment is not nearly as formative/corrupting as we think it is - there's been one bogeyman or another threatening to do it for at least the past century and online porn is just the latest one.
As for whether it should be taught in schools - I don't see why not. If schools are meant to equip children with what they need to know to get on in life then yeah - porn seems like something perfectly valid for them to know about.
AOG
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Our children's minds have already been corrupted by the modern day liberal thinkers, and there is proof to verify that fact, vast amounts of under aged pregnancies for starters."
Assuming for a moment that this is true, I don't see how the latter is evidence of the former. For instance, you yourself posted the following quote:
"The UK has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe – seven times that of the Netherlands and double that of France or Germany."
Yet the Netherlands, France and Germany are all countries which are just as (if not more so) embracing of "modern liberal values" as the UK. If high levels of teen pregnancy were a direct result of "modern liberal values" then all of these countries would have rates roughly the same as the UK - not drastically below.
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Our children's minds have already been corrupted by the modern day liberal thinkers, and there is proof to verify that fact, vast amounts of under aged pregnancies for starters."
Assuming for a moment that this is true, I don't see how the latter is evidence of the former. For instance, you yourself posted the following quote:
"The UK has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe – seven times that of the Netherlands and double that of France or Germany."
Yet the Netherlands, France and Germany are all countries which are just as (if not more so) embracing of "modern liberal values" as the UK. If high levels of teen pregnancy were a direct result of "modern liberal values" then all of these countries would have rates roughly the same as the UK - not drastically below.
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/// AOG, sex is everywhere for the younger generation. Music videos are close to soft porn. Girls are copying this behaviour and boys are expecting it. Inhabitation's have been broken down. Blame MTV, Magazines and the internet. Parents are between a rock and a hard place but as it's happening we should teach them about the realities as best we can. ///
/// Like Boxy says...it's not all about sex. Body image plays a big part. Look at how many teenagers suffer with bulimia and anorexia...boys included. ///
Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"?
/// AOG, sex is everywhere for the younger generation. Music videos are close to soft porn. Girls are copying this behaviour and boys are expecting it. Inhabitation's have been broken down. Blame MTV, Magazines and the internet. Parents are between a rock and a hard place but as it's happening we should teach them about the realities as best we can. ///
/// Like Boxy says...it's not all about sex. Body image plays a big part. Look at how many teenagers suffer with bulimia and anorexia...boys included. ///
Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"?
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