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Should be interesting to see how successful he is in his quest to prove that Met officers only pulled him up because he was black.
Would the individuals who have been arrested under Metropolitan Police’s Operation Yewtree, also have a case, by complaining that they have been arrested because they are white?
Incidentally does anyone find it strange that he chose to go to accused right-wing, racist newspaper The Daily Mail with his story?
/// “I am being targeted because of the colour of my skin, I don’t think it’s because I am Stephen’s brother,” he told the Daily
Mail. ///
Should be interesting to see how successful he is in his quest to prove that Met officers only pulled him up because he was black.
Would the individuals who have been arrested under Metropolitan Police’s Operation Yewtree, also have a case, by complaining that they have been arrested because they are white?
Incidentally does anyone find it strange that he chose to go to accused right-wing, racist newspaper The Daily Mail with his story?
/// “I am being targeted because of the colour of my skin, I don’t think it’s because I am Stephen’s brother,” he told the Daily
Mail. ///
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I've always had a big problem with the whole Stephen Lawrence case. The police mess up a fair few murder enquires not because they are racist but because they are, at times. incompetent. I havent known many cocked up murder cases go as far as a public enquiry. However bad it is to lose anyone in that way at least the Lawrence family got alot more closure than most.
13:43 Wed 09th Jan 2013
/Since he was the Chancellor of Germany, and surrounded himself with similar mad men, yes I do./
So your analysis of the rise of Nazism in 1920s/1930s Germany is that
a madman somehow got himself elected to a position of absolute power
and he somehow coerced an unwilling population into an attempt at world domination
On that evidence aog, living through events doesn't do much to improve one's insight or understanding of them
So your analysis of the rise of Nazism in 1920s/1930s Germany is that
a madman somehow got himself elected to a position of absolute power
and he somehow coerced an unwilling population into an attempt at world domination
On that evidence aog, living through events doesn't do much to improve one's insight or understanding of them
Zeuhl
/// a madman somehow got himself elected to a position of absolute power ///
That's exactly how it was, once Hindenburg had died.
/// and he somehow coerced an unwilling population into an attempt at world domination ///
No they were far from unwilling, until they found his true being. At first he told them what they wanted to hear, and also promised them an end to austerity after WW1 and full employment.
/// a madman somehow got himself elected to a position of absolute power ///
That's exactly how it was, once Hindenburg had died.
/// and he somehow coerced an unwilling population into an attempt at world domination ///
No they were far from unwilling, until they found his true being. At first he told them what they wanted to hear, and also promised them an end to austerity after WW1 and full employment.
So aog
why did you post earlier that you believed Hitler did it alone and forced it on the country?
Q: And you think he did that alone do you?
Q:Or perhaps you think he forced it on the rest of Germany? ///
A: Since he was the Chancellor of Germany, and surrounded himself with similar mad men, yes I do.
why did you post earlier that you believed Hitler did it alone and forced it on the country?
Q: And you think he did that alone do you?
Q:Or perhaps you think he forced it on the rest of Germany? ///
A: Since he was the Chancellor of Germany, and surrounded himself with similar mad men, yes I do.
You claimed knowledge of the mood of middle eastern youth but in fact you were just showing you ignorance and prejudice. When you mention the middle east you were in fact thinking of just two or three countries. Having been out after dark in several of those countries I can tell you they were far safer and less threatening than some parts of this country.
/No they were far from unwilling, until they found his true being./
Really?
And when was that? In your analysis?
Was it in his rearmament in 1935?
Was it when he initiated his 'Final Solution' for european jewry in 1938?
Was it when he commited the country to waging war with the rest of europe in 1939?
Was it when wholesale murder began in the Death Camps in 1942
Or was it not until the German people faced up to defeat when Russian troops entered Berlin in April 1945?
Seems they took a while to realize they had been coerced by a madman into doing things they didn't want to
Really?
And when was that? In your analysis?
Was it in his rearmament in 1935?
Was it when he initiated his 'Final Solution' for european jewry in 1938?
Was it when he commited the country to waging war with the rest of europe in 1939?
Was it when wholesale murder began in the Death Camps in 1942
Or was it not until the German people faced up to defeat when Russian troops entered Berlin in April 1945?
Seems they took a while to realize they had been coerced by a madman into doing things they didn't want to
sqad
I am just suggesting that features of a society (such as classroom behaviour) are an aspect or expression of the values, beliefs and attitudes in that society.
Not even the Public Schools with their own micro-society of boarders retain the classroom behaviours of the past and we couldn't reinstate them in mainstream schools without major adjustments to the prevailing values, beliefs and attitudes in mainstream society.
My point is that the values, beliefs and attitudes of the 30s and 40s that produced 'well behaved classrooms' also produced many features in society, public life and the direction of the country that were less desirable.
Pining for one manifestation as though it could be magically grafted onto a society with different values, beliefs and attitudes without regard for its other manifestations seems rather ill thought through.
Anyway sqad, I'm going to fix me a vodka and tonic now and I suggest you do something similar if you haven't already.
I am just suggesting that features of a society (such as classroom behaviour) are an aspect or expression of the values, beliefs and attitudes in that society.
Not even the Public Schools with their own micro-society of boarders retain the classroom behaviours of the past and we couldn't reinstate them in mainstream schools without major adjustments to the prevailing values, beliefs and attitudes in mainstream society.
My point is that the values, beliefs and attitudes of the 30s and 40s that produced 'well behaved classrooms' also produced many features in society, public life and the direction of the country that were less desirable.
Pining for one manifestation as though it could be magically grafted onto a society with different values, beliefs and attitudes without regard for its other manifestations seems rather ill thought through.
Anyway sqad, I'm going to fix me a vodka and tonic now and I suggest you do something similar if you haven't already.
were they, its funny that is not how i remember it. Many Asians came from Uganda, having been ousted by that noted nice man Idi Amin, the people who seemingly had British dual passports came and settled here.
There was a serious manpower shortage after the war, so the powers that be invited those from the colonies, notably the West Indies to come and work here, not laziness on the Brits part, more out of necessity.
I always love it when someone bashes the Brits, as lazy, didn't work, let immigrants do it all, wonder how industry ever got going long ago.
There was a serious manpower shortage after the war, so the powers that be invited those from the colonies, notably the West Indies to come and work here, not laziness on the Brits part, more out of necessity.
I always love it when someone bashes the Brits, as lazy, didn't work, let immigrants do it all, wonder how industry ever got going long ago.
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Em10
Most of the Ugandan Asians were Indians not Pakistanis and very few came to Britain. Most of the Pakistanis first arrived in the 1950s and 1960s working mainly in cotton mills in the north of england and in the foudaries in the midlands. Both of those operation worked 24 hours and the immigrants tended to be given the unpopular night shifts.
Most of the Ugandan Asians were Indians not Pakistanis and very few came to Britain. Most of the Pakistanis first arrived in the 1950s and 1960s working mainly in cotton mills in the north of england and in the foudaries in the midlands. Both of those operation worked 24 hours and the immigrants tended to be given the unpopular night shifts.
Just out of curiosity aog, did you live through the second world war and, if so, were you a child or had you grown and took a more active role?
I just ask because on another thread about history, you did point out that, in your view, the Normans gave us a thousand year settlement for civil society as we now know it.
I just ask because on another thread about history, you did point out that, in your view, the Normans gave us a thousand year settlement for civil society as we now know it.
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