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It is reported that Muslim vigilantes are patrolling the streets of London, harassing both homosexuals and non Muslims
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Naomi:- Nice to tangle with you ;)
//Two wrongs don't make a right and your statement doesn't excuse it. Yes, we should be concerned. //
My statement is not excusing anything, my point is that this post is targeted specifically at Muslims which I feel to be narrow minded. I don't think that the gay guy in the video would have felt differently, or reacted differently, if it was a non-Muslim telling him that they don't like gays.
This is not new and just because this time round round the perps think that they are doing it because of Allah instead of whatever other 'flags' might be flown does not make it any 'wronger'.
I take your point about concern though and I will admit that Islam has more influence across society than the other groups that think they own a particular street corner but it sounds like the 'grown-ups' are distancing themselves from it - hard to tell really but in my mind the Muslim aspect of it is secondary unless they get treated differently to others when they are in the dock.
//Two wrongs don't make a right and your statement doesn't excuse it. Yes, we should be concerned. //
My statement is not excusing anything, my point is that this post is targeted specifically at Muslims which I feel to be narrow minded. I don't think that the gay guy in the video would have felt differently, or reacted differently, if it was a non-Muslim telling him that they don't like gays.
This is not new and just because this time round round the perps think that they are doing it because of Allah instead of whatever other 'flags' might be flown does not make it any 'wronger'.
I take your point about concern though and I will admit that Islam has more influence across society than the other groups that think they own a particular street corner but it sounds like the 'grown-ups' are distancing themselves from it - hard to tell really but in my mind the Muslim aspect of it is secondary unless they get treated differently to others when they are in the dock.
Jake/jno, //how would people feel if they were pursuing paedophiles?//
Vigilantes shouldn’t be pursuing anyone.
ll_billym, //this post is targeted specifically at Muslims which I feel to be narrow minded.//
How is it narrow minded? The culprits are Muslim, and they’re not harassing passers-by simply because they’re bullies – as you rightly said has happened in the past - they’re doing it because they deem the perceived lifestyles of their victims to be unacceptable to Islam. This is why they’re emphasising their belief that ‘this is a Muslim area’, or words to that effect. However politically correct, or fair, we might want to be, I don’t think it’s wise to ignore the root of the problem – and that is the root of the problem. The post is perfectly legitimate.
Vigilantes shouldn’t be pursuing anyone.
ll_billym, //this post is targeted specifically at Muslims which I feel to be narrow minded.//
How is it narrow minded? The culprits are Muslim, and they’re not harassing passers-by simply because they’re bullies – as you rightly said has happened in the past - they’re doing it because they deem the perceived lifestyles of their victims to be unacceptable to Islam. This is why they’re emphasising their belief that ‘this is a Muslim area’, or words to that effect. However politically correct, or fair, we might want to be, I don’t think it’s wise to ignore the root of the problem – and that is the root of the problem. The post is perfectly legitimate.
It certainly needs watching and dealing with swiftly ( which it has been) but I really don't think we need to start panicking over a few crazy extremist young men that are an embarassment to their own culture and have been roundly condemned by their local religious leaders. You will always get this type of behaviour amongst young men, they want some aggro, nothing to do with religion- that's simply an excuse for it. this is about power and fortunately they've been arrested and are being dealt with so I imagine they are feeling pretty dis-empowered at the moment, and as long as that continues there is no real problem.
Nox, //You will always get this type of behaviour amongst young men, they want some aggro, nothing to do with religion//
Supporters of this are not always necessarily so young, and from their perspective it has everything to do with religion. Don’t be fooled. See here at about 1.28.
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Supporters of this are not always necessarily so young, and from their perspective it has everything to do with religion. Don’t be fooled. See here at about 1.28.
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fender62
/// what i don't get is why they stay in a country that's not islamic
are they hoping one day britain will be. ///
Yes they would love that, but regarding "why do they stay in a country that's not Islamic"?
Could it be they enjoy a better standard of living, free education, superior housing, and a free health service, which provides for their health issues, including mainly Maternity care, but even then they have to be treated in special ways ie not to be touched by a male etc.
/// what i don't get is why they stay in a country that's not islamic
are they hoping one day britain will be. ///
Yes they would love that, but regarding "why do they stay in a country that's not Islamic"?
Could it be they enjoy a better standard of living, free education, superior housing, and a free health service, which provides for their health issues, including mainly Maternity care, but even then they have to be treated in special ways ie not to be touched by a male etc.
I'm glad the police have done such a good job in tracing the accused and arresting them. Excellent work.
Chilldoubt - I'm not sure what you meant when you said that 'a lot more would have been made of this had the attackers been non-Muslim'.
With the police making arrests within 24 hours and coverage in all major media outlets, how much more could be made of it?
With regard to whether we should be concerned about these 'groups'...not sure whether we can assume some kind of organised campaign at the moment. Whilst a higher than average number of Muslims have a very negative opinion of homosexuals (compared with those not aligned to any religion), it should be remembered that deal with attacks, both verbal and physical, all over the country which rarely make national news.
With this being the case (and let's not forget Jody Dobrowski), might we be missing the point?
Take a look at this footage:
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And then have a look at the number of attacks (not just verbal) that happen all the time to the gay community:
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Chilldoubt - I'm not sure what you meant when you said that 'a lot more would have been made of this had the attackers been non-Muslim'.
With the police making arrests within 24 hours and coverage in all major media outlets, how much more could be made of it?
With regard to whether we should be concerned about these 'groups'...not sure whether we can assume some kind of organised campaign at the moment. Whilst a higher than average number of Muslims have a very negative opinion of homosexuals (compared with those not aligned to any religion), it should be remembered that deal with attacks, both verbal and physical, all over the country which rarely make national news.
With this being the case (and let's not forget Jody Dobrowski), might we be missing the point?
Take a look at this footage:
http://
And then have a look at the number of attacks (not just verbal) that happen all the time to the gay community:
http://
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