So Now We Know Labour Dont Trust The People

[youngmafbog]

Is David trying to shaft Ed or is he for real?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4769690/David-Miliband-blamed-for-Ed-vetoing-EU-referendum.html

[emmie]

didn't Ed shaft his brother to get the leadership, perhaps it's time for a little payback.

[naomi24]

Tweedledee & Tweedledum.

[emmie]

and not a fag paper between them over their political leanings,

[modeller]

Of course they don't . It's known as Union Solidarity , Blair sold us out and Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty despite knowing the people were against it.

[sandyRoe]

Is our membership of the EU solely down to Labour? Did the Tories play no part in it?

[emmie]

sandy, of course they did, no one disputes that, or shouldn't

[jno]

according to one unnamed senior party figure.... yeah, right

[modeller]

sandy All governments are to blame but it was under Blair/Brown that the EU expanded, the Euro constitution and the Lisbon treaties, which signed away much of our sovereignty and our open door policy to immigrants , were agreed. It was also during this time that they gave up half our rebate and refused the referendum.

[jake-the-peg]

// it was under Blair/Brown that the EU expanded, //

Bzzzzz - WRONG!!!!! - thank you for playing!!!!

The modern EU is based on 2 treaties:

Single European act - signed by Margaret Thatcher

Maastrict treaty signed by John Major

[Quizmonster]

Jake, it's a waste of time trying to trouble some people with the facts.

[I.Caramba]

The three big steps in Britain's EU membership were signed off by Heath, Thatcher and Major. The question for today is: what had these three people in common?

[modeller]

// it was under Blair/Brown that the EU expanded, //
#Bzzzzz - WRONG!!!!! - thank you for playing!!!! #

Oh really ! We joined in 1973 when there were 9 States .
During the next 22 years only 6 more were added making 15 .

Then Blair/Brown added another 10 making 25
and 2 yrs later they added another 2 making 27
So during Labour's watch the increase was double that of the previous 22 years

What is more they accepted another 10 candidates

[modeller]

#The modern EU is based on 2 treaties:
Single European act - signed by Margaret Thatcher
Maastrict treaty signed by John Major #
That is a meaningless comment, no treaty is unique , all treaties are based on what has gone before.
If you want to establish loose base lineS , then OEEC, EEC , EFTA , European Community, all contributed to the monster we have today.

Maastrict was the last time sovereign states had any meaningful control .
Since then we have had agreeements: Amsterdam, Nice, European C

[modeller]

cont, European Constitution , and Lisbon . All of which have handed much control of our country to Brussels. The fact that they were all signed by Labour is irrelevant . I doubt if Cameron would have done much different and Cleggy would have given even more away