Oh How Wonderful Membership Of The Eussr Is

[youngmafbog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2273002/Migrants-handed-1m-week-children-home-thousands-British-families-stripped-THEIR-child-benefit.html#axzz2Jux6nigy

Need I say more ?

[Old_Geezer]

I disagree with child benefit anyway, even if I do accept a possible humane justification for the first child. Economic migrants ought not qualify for benefits the moment they arrive. In fact the country is full, special cases aside, they ought not be arriving anyway.

[bazwillrun]

Why are we allowing an outside organisation to dictate the laws of this land, what has this got to do with a trading community ?

You want us to buy your produce & services etc fine, you want to buy our products and services etc fine, weve been doing that for centuries & centuries.......just dont tell us what to do with our taxpayers money, dont tell us how many hours we can work, in fact dont tell us how to do anything, its not your country, as much as you think it is and want it to be , we dont need your laws and dictats from your bloated , corrupt self-serving bureaucracy of a gravy train.

[jake-the-peg]

Baz - the EU as you well know is not a trading community

It grew from that when Margaret Thatcher signed the single European act

The transformation was completed when Major signed Maastrict.

I know it must be a great disappointment for you that you can't lay the blame for this at the feet of the Labour party, having someone you so admire sign us up to something you so detest must be awfully difficult.

[emmie]

it does beg the question, what it is we get out of the EU, apart from more migrants than we can afford, wait till the next flood come in.

[jake-the-peg]

What has the EU done for us?

http://www.whathaseuropedone.eu/

[emmie]

It was Blair's government that had an open door policy, any number of their ministers, including his spin doctor, Alistair Campbell admitted that it was to change the face of Britain, make it more multicultural, well it did that.
it isn't so much where they have come from, but how many. I am of the firm belief that no one should be able to gain any welfare benefits if they haven't put in, and that any new arrivals have five years before they can make any claim. That they must have a job and a place to live before settling here, same way that Australia does.
If that also rounds up those British in the same position, unless they have a disability that prevents any kind of work, they are obviously exempt.
Makes no sense to have more people arrive to supposedly find work, when we already have so many languishing on the dole.

[slaney]

It does seem discriminatory though, as pointed out last year..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9641766/Child-benefit-cuts-may-be-illegal.html

Wonder if anyone will mount a legal challenge.

[emmie]

sure if i scroll through the link it will show many things, however i see it as a yoke around our necks, if we want to be part and parcel of a European superstate, then we have to jump in all guns blazing, adopt the Euro, and be Europeans, however from all i have seen and read, certainly in the last few years, many do not want that, not ever. So we have had endless people who have entered Britain, legally and illegally, many of whom we should have sent on the next boat, train, plane out of here. However much of the legislation that controls our being able to do this, seems to rest with the EU.

[emmie]

if British taxpayers are being asked to effectively pay for children who are not resident in Britain, but are having their own child benefits cut, then i really don't see that as being remotely right or fair.

[McMouse]

Friend of mine lives in Spain and draws his retirement pension, winter fuel payment, bus pass etc on grounds that he has UK residential status due to apartment in London (which his son lives in).

[emmie]

McM, did he retire there? if so he most likely worked here first, paid his dues in Britain, why would he need a British bus pass if he lives in Spain, as to the son that is one case.

[McMouse]

em10.....he worked in UK and moved to Spain with wife when he retires. Comes back to UK for short trips several times a year and has free travel on all London Transport and national buses. Beats me why he should get winter fuel allowance.

[emmie]

because if you have ever lived there, it's not warm all year round.
I recall staying with friends who had a villa, can't remember time of year, but it wasn't the height of summer, and it was bloody perishing at night.

[jake-the-peg]

The way to reform the winter fuel payments is to place it in the hands of local councils.

There's similarly no reason why winter payments in Scotland or Northern England should affect payments in Cornwall.

No EU issues involved in doing that - easy peasy

[emmie]

there is nothing easy peasy about local councils, many can't seem to organise a p iss up in a brewery, and i wouldn't trust them not to squander the money for the fuel payments on employing ever more bureaucrats, managers and what not. So for the time being it should stay where it is.
If its to be means tested, which some say should happen then that will take a long time to sort out.

[McMouse]

My winter fuel payment was cut when mother-in-law came to live with us, even though the fuel bills doubled because of her need for year round 22c in her granny-flat.

[emmie]

McM, that isn't fair, by the way doesn't she get the winter fuel allowance?

[bazwillrun]

"Baz - the EU as you well know is not a trading community"

but thats what its supposed to be and that was the spiel that was fed to the country and the basis we were sold/conned/lied into beliveing.

If not a trading community then what is it ?
Is it what most reasonably intelligent people can see it as ie: an attempt to subjugate and control the countries that make up europe, turn it into a superstate with one sole leader (president, emperor, dictator) and encompassing laws.

[BayBoy1]

McMOUSE ,,,and why should your friend who lives in Spain.not get his pension and fuel allowance??? he has paid into the system all his working life,and is entitled to it.He does not need a house in the UK to qualify he has paid for his pension, or would you rather see 1 million pounds a week go to foriegn children who do not live in England either. and their parents have just arrived and paid nothing into the system who needs enemys???

[bazwillrun]

"The way to reform the winter fuel payments is to place it in the hands of local councils. "

Ag ag ag !

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