21 Month Suspended Jail Term For Manslaughter, Is This Nearly Enough?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276006/Nurse-Grace-Adeleye-caused-baby-boy-bleed-death-botched-home-circumcision-walks-free-court.html#axzz2KPXE0d8X

/// Adeleye was found guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence after a trial at Manchester Crown Court and was given a 21 month suspended jail term yesterday.///

[bazwillrun]

Thats not a punisment, its an absolute disgrace.

[FredPuli43]

Why? What would you have given her? Seems right to me. Here's a nurse who has done this procedure many times. It's a bit surprising, from the report, that she was convicted at all; maybe the judge thought so too. It's certainly down very low on the scale of what is manslaughter.

[NOX]

I think at the very least it should herald a change in the law to prevent similar occurances. Certianly she meant the child no ill, was a nurse and had by all accounts performed thousands of similar proceedures, but the poor wee mite did not have to die. He was perfectly healthy and imho circumcision except for medical reasons should never ben performed.

[mrs.chappie]

It was performed with no pain relief for the poor baby. Sounds absolutely horrendous to me.

[Noth43]

I have a serious problem understanding how the courts work these days. This comes to light in the same week some chap was given seven days jail for feeding a sausage roll to a police horse yet this woman walks free.

[emmie]

disgraceful, sorry don't see why she has walked free effectively.

[Sqad]

Interesting thread........very interesting.
I would like to make a few remarks excluding the ethical, mortal and religious indications for circumcision and ignoring the medical indications for the procedure.

If for whatever reason, you wanted circumcision for your newborn baby would you choose a nurse who has done the procedure hundreds of times OR chance a newly trained doing his first circumcision operation probably unsupervised?
I have seen horrible botched operations that had been performed my medically qualified personnel following which legal action was taken and succeeded.

Surgery is easy provided there are no complications....I could teach anybody to take out lumps and bumps and in fact up until the turn of the century that is how surgeons were trained......an apprenticeship to an established surgeon.

This nurse didn't intend to kill the child and once the procedure was performed did not have a "duty of care," unlike a doctor.

Infection is not a problem.....but bleeding may well be.

Before you criticise the actions of this nurse or indeed the sentence by the judge, just remember that, in my opinion, there is a rapidly growing trend to keep patients away from a medically qualified personal in the UK.........a trend that i consider dangerous.
See many posts in Body and Soul which advice..ring NHS direct...see the nurse.....consult the Chemist.....drop into "Walk in Centre.........all expensive alternative to avoid medical opinion.

The parent's made a choice, the nurse did nothing illegal, but the outcome was disastrous.

[emmie]

which is why i generally don't consult others than a doctor at the surgery, at least that way they keep tabs on what ails you.. and in an emergency can pack you off to the hospital. Having said that sitting in A&E ain't no fun at all if you are ill

[anotheoldgit]

No matter the fact that she had performed this procedure many times before, or the fact that she didn't mean things to turn out as they did, this woman was found guilty by a jury of manslaughter by gross negligence, the maximum sentence for this is life, she should have been given a lesser custodial sentence at least.