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Has This Christian Group Got A Point?
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If posters such as these are allowed
*** “Some people are gay. Get over it!” ***
*** “There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying. And enjoy your
life.” ***
Then why not this?
*** “Not Gay! Ex-Gay, Post-Gay and Proud. Get over it!” ***
If posters such as these are allowed
*** “Some people are gay. Get over it!” ***
*** “There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying. And enjoy your
life.” ***
Then why not this?
*** “Not Gay! Ex-Gay, Post-Gay and Proud. Get over it!” ***
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Personally, I see no reason for
// “Not Gay! Ex-Gay, Post-Gay and Proud. Get over it!” //
To be banned. I cannot see why it is offensive. It doesn't really make much sense, but if they are prepared to waste their own money on a bus campaign, then let them.
Without seeing the actual posters then on the face of it they should be allowed. If they were claiming some spurious 'cure' for homosexuality through prayer then it could be banned on the grounds of untruthful, misleading and trying to con the public.
// “Not Gay! Ex-Gay, Post-Gay and Proud. Get over it!” //
To be banned. I cannot see why it is offensive. It doesn't really make much sense, but if they are prepared to waste their own money on a bus campaign, then let them.
Without seeing the actual posters then on the face of it they should be allowed. If they were claiming some spurious 'cure' for homosexuality through prayer then it could be banned on the grounds of untruthful, misleading and trying to con the public.
Gromit
/// If they were claiming some spurious 'cure' for homosexuality through prayer then it could be banned on the grounds of untruthful, misleading and trying to con the public. ///
*** Dr Davidson, who himself has a homosexual past, but has been attracted controversy for suggesting gays can become heterosexual through counselling and prayer. ***
Seemed to have worked for him.
/// If they were claiming some spurious 'cure' for homosexuality through prayer then it could be banned on the grounds of untruthful, misleading and trying to con the public. ///
*** Dr Davidson, who himself has a homosexual past, but has been attracted controversy for suggesting gays can become heterosexual through counselling and prayer. ***
Seemed to have worked for him.
The ad from Stonewall was factually correct, and with homophobic attacks on gays, both physical and verbal, the statement 'get over it' has value.
The response from the Christian group could be challenged on the grounds that psychological, medical and psychiatric establishments all agree that sexual orientation cannot be changed, and that so-called "reparative therapy" aimed at altering gay peoples' orientations does not work and may, in fact, be harmful.
Should TfL be used as a platform to encourage these practices?
Who is the Christian group talking to? Do gay people have an issue with people being straight? Most probably not...I say that because there are so few stories of gays attacking straight people for their sexual orientation.
I can't recall every reading about gay people rejecting family members for being straight.
There aren't gay churches which condemn straight people for their 'lifestyle choices'.
So really, it's not gay people who have anything to 'get over'.
The response from the Christian group could be challenged on the grounds that psychological, medical and psychiatric establishments all agree that sexual orientation cannot be changed, and that so-called "reparative therapy" aimed at altering gay peoples' orientations does not work and may, in fact, be harmful.
Should TfL be used as a platform to encourage these practices?
Who is the Christian group talking to? Do gay people have an issue with people being straight? Most probably not...I say that because there are so few stories of gays attacking straight people for their sexual orientation.
I can't recall every reading about gay people rejecting family members for being straight.
There aren't gay churches which condemn straight people for their 'lifestyle choices'.
So really, it's not gay people who have anything to 'get over'.
AOG
If the therapy Dr Davidson promotes actually works, then he should be able to perform the same technique on a straight man, and make him gay.
Obviously, if sexual orientation is a mutable characteristic, the process could be reversed - so shouldn't he turn a straight man gay, present him to the world, and then turn him back again?
If the therapy Dr Davidson promotes actually works, then he should be able to perform the same technique on a straight man, and make him gay.
Obviously, if sexual orientation is a mutable characteristic, the process could be reversed - so shouldn't he turn a straight man gay, present him to the world, and then turn him back again?
I think it's reasonable to argue that if being "ex-gay" is something to be proud about, then being gay in the first place is something to be ashamed about, or at least not as desirable as being straight. So the implications of that poster "Ex-gay and proud!", seem more than a little offensive. The State really should be promoting equality.
I'm not really a fan of the other two poster headlines either if it comes to that.
I'm not really a fan of the other two poster headlines either if it comes to that.
"Some people are Gay, get over it"
This banner - to me at least - implies that Gay people feel persecuted or discriminated in some way. Personally I couldn't care less about any ones sexual orientation. Not sure but, maybe that's the way most people feel. It seems like it's only an issue when accusatory homophobic banners like this pop up or if you feel like you're a persecuted discriminated Gay.
This banner - to me at least - implies that Gay people feel persecuted or discriminated in some way. Personally I couldn't care less about any ones sexual orientation. Not sure but, maybe that's the way most people feel. It seems like it's only an issue when accusatory homophobic banners like this pop up or if you feel like you're a persecuted discriminated Gay.
AOG
You seem to believe that homosexuals can be transformed into hetrosexuals by prayer or some other 'therapy'. You believe that sexuality can be tranferrable and that someone of one sexual orientation can be switched to another.
If so, does it not follow that if you were subjected to some sort of therapy or prayers that AOG could be turned into player of the pink Oboe?
You seem to believe that homosexuals can be transformed into hetrosexuals by prayer or some other 'therapy'. You believe that sexuality can be tranferrable and that someone of one sexual orientation can be switched to another.
If so, does it not follow that if you were subjected to some sort of therapy or prayers that AOG could be turned into player of the pink Oboe?
AOG
Are you saying that w are not even allowed to use the term 'bigoted homophobes'?
It's an accurate description of someone who had issues with gay people for no other than their sexuality.
If someone physically or verbally attacks someone who is gay...then they are a bigoted homophobe, and it's only they who would object to the language in the advert.
I suspect the vast majority of the nation agrees with the sentiment, otherwise we would've seen a massive campaign to get the posters removed.
Have we?
Are you saying that w are not even allowed to use the term 'bigoted homophobes'?
It's an accurate description of someone who had issues with gay people for no other than their sexuality.
If someone physically or verbally attacks someone who is gay...then they are a bigoted homophobe, and it's only they who would object to the language in the advert.
I suspect the vast majority of the nation agrees with the sentiment, otherwise we would've seen a massive campaign to get the posters removed.
Have we?
The Advertising Standards Authority does not allow any advertiser to claim that a product cures or produces any medical improvement, unless the claim is supported by proper medical and scientific evidence.
That being so, Boris Johnson is entitled to ban this advertisement, which claims that someone gay can be ex-gay and post-gay, the grounds for the slogan being that this transformation can be achieved by counselling and prayer. In short, the claim is false.
That being so, Boris Johnson is entitled to ban this advertisement, which claims that someone gay can be ex-gay and post-gay, the grounds for the slogan being that this transformation can be achieved by counselling and prayer. In short, the claim is false.
sp1814
/// Are you saying that w are not even allowed to use the term 'bigoted homophobes'? ///
/// It's an accurate description of someone who had issues with gay people for no other than their sexuality. ///
No it is not, it is an often an over used and offensive label that some are quick to bestow on persons who dare to question or criticize anyone who happens to be gay.
Homosexuals are no different from Heterosexuals who are also not beyond being criticized if the need arises.
It is just the same with persons of a different race, one is free to criticize without being labeled 'Racist'.
/// Are you saying that w are not even allowed to use the term 'bigoted homophobes'? ///
/// It's an accurate description of someone who had issues with gay people for no other than their sexuality. ///
No it is not, it is an often an over used and offensive label that some are quick to bestow on persons who dare to question or criticize anyone who happens to be gay.
Homosexuals are no different from Heterosexuals who are also not beyond being criticized if the need arises.
It is just the same with persons of a different race, one is free to criticize without being labeled 'Racist'.
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