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Cameron Ready To Defy The Eu
Good you think!. Now we can deport Qatada to Jordan against the wishes of the EU and tell them to go to hell.
Unfortunately thats not what he had in mind. He wants to supply arms to Islamic Syrian rebels and is prepared to go it alone against the EU and also Russia. Why can't he behave the same when the security of this country is at stake?
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On what basis do you think the government and their advisers are idiots, pdq1? Do you think that you are better informed or more able to see what you deem obvious than they are?
Idiots or not, the government does know that Qatada and his deportation, or not, has nothing whatever to do with the EU. In that respect they are better informed than one poster on here. Do you not wonder whether they are better informed on other matters, such as Syria and Russia?
Idiots or not, the government does know that Qatada and his deportation, or not, has nothing whatever to do with the EU. In that respect they are better informed than one poster on here. Do you not wonder whether they are better informed on other matters, such as Syria and Russia?
Cameron "happy to arm Syrian rebels"?
Where did you get that from? Cameron said he would be reluctantly prepared perhaps to consider arming a particular faction of the rebels if all else failed. Personally I hope he doesn't and I would be very surprised if he did. I wouldn't be surprised if part of this is to appear to distance himself from the EU for the benefit of you know who. "Going it alone against Russia" is probably wide of the mark as well. hague and hammond have been cosying up to Lavrov and Shoigu. A complete waste of time probably, but 10 out of 10 for effort I suppose :-)
Where did you get that from? Cameron said he would be reluctantly prepared perhaps to consider arming a particular faction of the rebels if all else failed. Personally I hope he doesn't and I would be very surprised if he did. I wouldn't be surprised if part of this is to appear to distance himself from the EU for the benefit of you know who. "Going it alone against Russia" is probably wide of the mark as well. hague and hammond have been cosying up to Lavrov and Shoigu. A complete waste of time probably, but 10 out of 10 for effort I suppose :-)
"On what basis do you think the government and their advisers are idiots?"
Where would you like me to start, Fred?
How about, "OK, let's NOT sell off our forests," said Caroline Spelman. Or "OK, let's NOT award the West Coast Mainline contract to FirstGroup," said Justine Greening (though Patrick McLaughlin carried the can for her. Or "Nah! An English baccalaureate is a RUBBISH idea," said Michael Gove.
There you have just a select three of the 40+ U-turns in under three years that I could have chosen.
Do you suppose the three original proposals, or any of the other such three-dozen-plus, were evidence of wisdom?
My apologies, Pdq, for going off-topic on your thread.
Where would you like me to start, Fred?
How about, "OK, let's NOT sell off our forests," said Caroline Spelman. Or "OK, let's NOT award the West Coast Mainline contract to FirstGroup," said Justine Greening (though Patrick McLaughlin carried the can for her. Or "Nah! An English baccalaureate is a RUBBISH idea," said Michael Gove.
There you have just a select three of the 40+ U-turns in under three years that I could have chosen.
Do you suppose the three original proposals, or any of the other such three-dozen-plus, were evidence of wisdom?
My apologies, Pdq, for going off-topic on your thread.
U-turns do not equate to idiocy, would you rather the Government went ploughing on ignoring the will lof the people like New Labour did?
Policies are often put out top gauge public reaction. If you dont you end up with Pasy tax fiasco's or as I said earlier New Labour ploughing ahead - even if it comes to forcing it through with the Parliament Act.
As for the Question, no Cameron needs to butt out. We have enough problems of our own. The Middle East has been a problem for thousands of years and it wont be sorted any time soon, so leave it to their people. Help mop up the mess, maybe but stay out of the conflict.
Policies are often put out top gauge public reaction. If you dont you end up with Pasy tax fiasco's or as I said earlier New Labour ploughing ahead - even if it comes to forcing it through with the Parliament Act.
As for the Question, no Cameron needs to butt out. We have enough problems of our own. The Middle East has been a problem for thousands of years and it wont be sorted any time soon, so leave it to their people. Help mop up the mess, maybe but stay out of the conflict.
From the reported story, you draw an equivalence with the Qatada deportation - but his deportation has had nothing to do with the EU, so I am a bit confused....
As to the whole issue of what u-turns mean - They have come to be deemed a sign of weakness, and indeed, the darling of the right, Thatcher herself, famously declared that the lady was not for turning. To resist policy u-turns has long been seen as a kind of strength.
Any reasonable person would wish for a government that wishes to listen - but do major policy u-turns really demonstrate that? Especially when they happen regularly, across departments?
No, what it does illustrate is a government working from a compromise manifesto, with policy commitments hammered out in the space of days rather than months or years. It reflects a desire to push through some radical reforms and cutting corners and rushing the process as they do it. When the logical inconsistencies and the serious inadequacies of such policies are highlighted, that when we get "listening pauses". major re-writes of new health care legislation just weeks before it is due to become law. There are, unfortunately, many many other examples.
Thats not a sign of a listening, caring compassionate government - thats a sign of incoherent policy making, rushed through and lacking proper oversight....
As to the whole issue of what u-turns mean - They have come to be deemed a sign of weakness, and indeed, the darling of the right, Thatcher herself, famously declared that the lady was not for turning. To resist policy u-turns has long been seen as a kind of strength.
Any reasonable person would wish for a government that wishes to listen - but do major policy u-turns really demonstrate that? Especially when they happen regularly, across departments?
No, what it does illustrate is a government working from a compromise manifesto, with policy commitments hammered out in the space of days rather than months or years. It reflects a desire to push through some radical reforms and cutting corners and rushing the process as they do it. When the logical inconsistencies and the serious inadequacies of such policies are highlighted, that when we get "listening pauses". major re-writes of new health care legislation just weeks before it is due to become law. There are, unfortunately, many many other examples.
Thats not a sign of a listening, caring compassionate government - thats a sign of incoherent policy making, rushed through and lacking proper oversight....
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