The Crimes Of Neville-Heath

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296704/Neville-Heath-suave-psycho-killer-New-book-examines-turned-charming-man-savage-murderer.html

Would his crimes even have made the headlines of today's press, never mind going down in the annuals of history?

[jake-the-peg]

No we're not interested in double murderers these days

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/double-murder-accused-james-allen-876942

Opps oh no I was wrong!

[China Doll]

'The woman’s face was badly bruised, her body was bitten and mutilated, and she had been suffocated.Her feet were tied tightly with a handkerchief, her wrists bore marks of having been bound, and she was covered in lashes from a whip with a distinctive diamond weave'

Erm, given the above then yes, I would imagine it would. It's sounds particualy gruesome and sadistic and these two things have always made headlines.

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

i didn't say there are no murders double or otherwise these days, or that we are not interested in them at the time.

The question I ask is will this James Allen be remembered in 60 plus years time or even his name in a couple of weeks time?

Incidentally this person has not yet been found guilty of murder, but why should that be any reason to prevent you from making a hastily and unfair comparison?

[jake-the-peg]

You asked a two part question - the first part most definately did suggest that but lets move on to the rememberance

I think only a few of the most novel or most prolific mass murders are
remembered long term and even then sometimes just by their monikas

For example I have to look up to find the name of 'the Acid Bath Killer' (John Haigh), we'll remember Myra Hindley, some of us will remember Dennis Nielson, I suspect that only a proportion of people will remember Peter Sutcliffe's name compared to those who remember the Yorkshire Ripper.

The Soam murders - now who was that janitor again? That Guy with the gun and Grenade attack on the two Police Women.

I think even in the field of murder you need to be extreme or a novelty act to be remembered - I think it has always been that way

[anotheoldgit]

triggerhippy

/// The question I ask is will this James Allen be remembered in 60 plus years time or even his name in a couple of weeks time? ///

/// You asked if his crimes would make the headlines of todays press. ///

That was the original question, regarding Neville Heath, the other question I asked was in response to JTP's introduction to a guy called James Allen.

What are you on? but that is yet another question.

[anotheoldgit]

triggerhippy

Stop trying to retaliate in such a childish way.

[Gromit]

Ex soldiers turning into savage killers still makes the headlines today.

The trial of Mark Bridger starts in a few weeks.

[Gromit]

I had never heard of Neville Heath. I have heard of others, Cripen, Hindley & Brady, Haig, Peter Sutcliffe, but not Neville Heath.

[Kromovaracun]

Yes, his crimes would make headlines today.

As for remembrance? I don't know. It depends what you mean. The Ipswich killings of a few years ago will be remembered, but I struggle to recall the name of the man who was eventually arrested for them. We know of more serial killers now but I think it's rather naive to think that's because there happens to be more of them. We don't know of a huge number of serial killers in the non-Western world - certainly not compared to those we know if in Europe or North America - but I sincerely doubt it's because there's fewer of them (in fact that would be so unlikely as to be absurd). It's much the same with the past.

[FredPuli43]

Yes, he was notorious at the time, and he would be so today. There's only a given percentage of psychopaths in society at any one time, which will not vary much, and few of them are sexual killers and fewer still are serial sexual killers The fame they acquire, when they do, is usually because they put a whole area of the country in fear of when they will strike next and are proving difficult to catch,.like the "Yorkshire Ripper", or because, like Heath and Haig, their murders are ones in which the general public can identify with the victims; there is a definite "it could have been me" aspect for ordinary women.

[ludwig]

Yes, they'd make the headlines today.

Like gromit, I'd never heard of him .