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Is It Me, Or Is There Rich Irony In Lord Carey Characterising Christians As An 'oppressed Minority'
...especially as the church has for hundreds of years, has being doing exactly that to gay people?
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Could this be a great example of 'well, now the shoe's on the other foot'?
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Could this be a great example of 'well, now the shoe's on the other foot'?
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"Lord Carey has every right to state that Christians are an oppressed minority, just has Gays are forever stating that they are also an oppressed minority. " The big difference AOG, is that the Christian Church was among those who sought to oppress gays and others, whereas (as far as I know) gays have never sought to oppress anyone. That's the irony.
11:20 Sun 31st Mar 2013
AOG
Do you think perhaps that it might have something to do with the fact that Anglicans have kept up an almost constant barrage of anti-gay rhetoric recently?
And now to be called an oppressed minority is ironic?
Do you see the irony, or will to continue to dodge the question and try to steer the discussion to your own particular hobby horse?
Do you think perhaps that it might have something to do with the fact that Anglicans have kept up an almost constant barrage of anti-gay rhetoric recently?
And now to be called an oppressed minority is ironic?
Do you see the irony, or will to continue to dodge the question and try to steer the discussion to your own particular hobby horse?
AOG
I should clarify something...the point of the question is not to bash Christians for their stance on homosexuality, but to question whether they should present themselves as an oppressed minority, when they have actively been oppressing gays for centuries.
This isn't about their belief, but their hypocrisy.
I know that I have criticised Muslims for their stance on homosexuality, and that you're making up the fact that I have 'stayed silent'.
No problem with that, it's cut and thrust of an argument. But do you see the irony in Carey's statement?
I should clarify something...the point of the question is not to bash Christians for their stance on homosexuality, but to question whether they should present themselves as an oppressed minority, when they have actively been oppressing gays for centuries.
This isn't about their belief, but their hypocrisy.
I know that I have criticised Muslims for their stance on homosexuality, and that you're making up the fact that I have 'stayed silent'.
No problem with that, it's cut and thrust of an argument. But do you see the irony in Carey's statement?
Mick-Talbot - actually, it has become a running theme recently. The 'oppression of Christians' is mentioned when the story of the BA worker with the crucifix hit the papers.
It was again trotted out during the case of the relationship counsellor who refused to treat gay couples.
And again with the Christian B&B owners.
It was again trotted out during the case of the relationship counsellor who refused to treat gay couples.
And again with the Christian B&B owners.
rojash
/// .... but you don't think sp1814 should be allowed the sam choice. ///
And no naomi24 it is not a good point,
because I have not once suggested that sp1814 shouldn't be allowed to address his point, I was merely criticising him for his constant criticism of the Christian Church while at the same time ignoring Islam's more aggressive stance on homosexuality.
But he is not alone in this, It is 'open season' for attacks on Christianity these days, both on AnswerBank, and also the media, but if anyone dares to attack Islam's stances on homosexuality, and female freedom, they are criticised for doing so.
/// .... but you don't think sp1814 should be allowed the sam choice. ///
And no naomi24 it is not a good point,
because I have not once suggested that sp1814 shouldn't be allowed to address his point, I was merely criticising him for his constant criticism of the Christian Church while at the same time ignoring Islam's more aggressive stance on homosexuality.
But he is not alone in this, It is 'open season' for attacks on Christianity these days, both on AnswerBank, and also the media, but if anyone dares to attack Islam's stances on homosexuality, and female freedom, they are criticised for doing so.
sp1814
/// I should clarify something...the point of the question is not to bash Christians for their stance on homosexuality, but to question whether they should present themselves as an oppressed minority, when they have actively been oppressing gays for centuries. ///
There are much more important issues than just homosexuality, Lord Carey has every right to state that Christians are an oppressed minority, just has Gays are forever stating that they are also an oppressed minority.
/// I should clarify something...the point of the question is not to bash Christians for their stance on homosexuality, but to question whether they should present themselves as an oppressed minority, when they have actively been oppressing gays for centuries. ///
There are much more important issues than just homosexuality, Lord Carey has every right to state that Christians are an oppressed minority, just has Gays are forever stating that they are also an oppressed minority.
not all, mick, and of course carey's entitled to his views
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sp1814
/// It was again trotted out during the case of the relationship counsellor who refused to treat gay couples. ///
/// And again with the Christian B&B owners. ///
This is simply not a Christian/Gay issue more of aggressive secularisation.
Christians of this country are forever being attacked for their beliefs, ridiculed by the growing atheist movement, apart from various other matters they are expected to accept (turn the other cheek), whereas other religions would not.
/// It was again trotted out during the case of the relationship counsellor who refused to treat gay couples. ///
/// And again with the Christian B&B owners. ///
This is simply not a Christian/Gay issue more of aggressive secularisation.
Christians of this country are forever being attacked for their beliefs, ridiculed by the growing atheist movement, apart from various other matters they are expected to accept (turn the other cheek), whereas other religions would not.
"Lord Carey has every right to state that Christians are an oppressed minority, just has Gays are forever stating that they are also an oppressed minority. "
The big difference AOG, is that the Christian Church was among those who sought to oppress gays and others, whereas (as far as I know) gays have never sought to oppress anyone. That's the irony.
The big difference AOG, is that the Christian Church was among those who sought to oppress gays and others, whereas (as far as I know) gays have never sought to oppress anyone. That's the irony.
Mick-Talbot
Yes, I completely see your point. Those stories were just supposed to indicate a trend of 'victimisation' that we keep hearing.
Of course not all Christians are singing from that particular hymn book (do you see what I did there?), but the idea does appear to be gaining traction amongst some Christians.
As one of Britain's leading Christian spokesmen, I believe Lord Carey should have been a little bit more careful with his rhetoric.
Yes, I completely see your point. Those stories were just supposed to indicate a trend of 'victimisation' that we keep hearing.
Of course not all Christians are singing from that particular hymn book (do you see what I did there?), but the idea does appear to be gaining traction amongst some Christians.
As one of Britain's leading Christian spokesmen, I believe Lord Carey should have been a little bit more careful with his rhetoric.
sp1814
/// I know that I have criticised Muslims for their stance on homosexuality, and that you're making up the fact that I have 'stayed silent'. ///
I am not aware that you ever have, and if you care to provide proof otherwise i will not only admit I was wrong but also issue you with an apology.
I have in the past asked you many times why you haven't attack Islam's aggressive behaviour towards homosexuals and have even gone to the extreme of asking you if you are in fact a Muslim, but you have failed to provide me with any answers.
/// I know that I have criticised Muslims for their stance on homosexuality, and that you're making up the fact that I have 'stayed silent'. ///
I am not aware that you ever have, and if you care to provide proof otherwise i will not only admit I was wrong but also issue you with an apology.
I have in the past asked you many times why you haven't attack Islam's aggressive behaviour towards homosexuals and have even gone to the extreme of asking you if you are in fact a Muslim, but you have failed to provide me with any answers.
AOG
Seeing as you've brought it up, I invite you to first spend time trawling through my previous posts to find evidence of me not criticising Islam's stance on homosexuality.
However, I am very disappointed that once again, you refuse to answer the question I have submitted, and have tried to twist this thread to your own agenda.
I leave others to draw their own conclusions on this.
Seeing as you've brought it up, I invite you to first spend time trawling through my previous posts to find evidence of me not criticising Islam's stance on homosexuality.
However, I am very disappointed that once again, you refuse to answer the question I have submitted, and have tried to twist this thread to your own agenda.
I leave others to draw their own conclusions on this.
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