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Maggie Thatcher
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Pinched this off Facebook.Says it all I think
Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on thi...s seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH
Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on thi...s seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH
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Anyone who can raise a drink to celebrate another person's death is a terrible excuse for a human being and really needs to have a long hard look at themselves.
17:11 Mon 27th Jun 2016
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No government minister has a mandate to do what they like. The people can only vote for the least offensive manifesto offered, which in itself is just a list of what is claimed they might like to do, and to which no party is beholding. So the first lot of capitals are nonsense.
Few disagree that some unions were using the power they had gained over the years to 'flex muscles' and make demands that were not in the public interest. But they were not there representing all the public, they were getting the best for their members. That is how the market, something right wing thinking claims to honour, works. Each side demands what it wants and then negotiation comes up with the correct compromise. (Unless of course the supplier of labour is represented union who looks like they might want more than the buyer of labour and their powerful friends want.)
The fact is that any temporary imbalance of power in the UK was merely used as an excuse to pass legislation to make unions jump through unreasonable hoops before they can do anything, and thus pervert the employee/employer balance in favour of employers.
The landslide election was clearly a reaction to the previous government that allowed a situation to get out of balance; and who had no ideological reason to ignore playing fair and opt to just bash the unions that supported them instead. It was nothing to do with wanting a Conservative government to do whatever it liked.
Phrases like "utterly destroying the unions" put all too clearly what was intended and done. No sense of right or wrong, just smash the voice of the working class, the voice that had improved the lot of so many over the years. She had no blessing save from those who wanted the same 'class war' outcome. Domination of the few over the many, and they can just put up with it. A genuine desire to rebalance would have taken longer and been less dramatic.
Of course she destroyed them because of a class war, denial changes nothing. Too many folk lived through it and know to be able to rewrite history.
As for the Falklands, well credit where credit is due. Although even there, there are tales that British Intelligence had already highlighted the possibility of an invasion, and nothing was done to prevent it. However fair enough, the reaction to the invasion was as it had to be.
Frankly Thatcher took a country that was going through a temporary difficult period, and with her desire to union bah and her slavish trust in Monetarism screwed much of the economy, caused much pain to many people, and it has had to recover since. Which of course it would eventually do regardless, since to do little more than baton down the hatches, and spend little, is the usual right wing approach to difficult times; and even then things eventually improve. It eventually recovers, or has done so far.
I think those who feel we are any sort of major power since the last World War is looking through rose tinted spectacles at their country. To think the world is a safer place because of Thatcher is IMO delusion in the extreme. No one was terrified of her (save arguably the working classes). "Feared Britain" indeed, where do folks think up their claims ?
And don't forget that to win votes she demanded councils sell off to tenants the local council housing stock at knock down prices to folk, many of whom didn't realise the cost of maintenance anyway. The rest made a killing at the expense of all us taxpayers. And some actually claim this bribe was a good thing. As I recall councils were not even allowed to build more council property with the little they got from the sales.
Truly she was an awful Prime Minister for internal national matters, merely showing some talent when dealing with other countries, which is where she may have been better employed.
Few disagree that some unions were using the power they had gained over the years to 'flex muscles' and make demands that were not in the public interest. But they were not there representing all the public, they were getting the best for their members. That is how the market, something right wing thinking claims to honour, works. Each side demands what it wants and then negotiation comes up with the correct compromise. (Unless of course the supplier of labour is represented union who looks like they might want more than the buyer of labour and their powerful friends want.)
The fact is that any temporary imbalance of power in the UK was merely used as an excuse to pass legislation to make unions jump through unreasonable hoops before they can do anything, and thus pervert the employee/employer balance in favour of employers.
The landslide election was clearly a reaction to the previous government that allowed a situation to get out of balance; and who had no ideological reason to ignore playing fair and opt to just bash the unions that supported them instead. It was nothing to do with wanting a Conservative government to do whatever it liked.
Phrases like "utterly destroying the unions" put all too clearly what was intended and done. No sense of right or wrong, just smash the voice of the working class, the voice that had improved the lot of so many over the years. She had no blessing save from those who wanted the same 'class war' outcome. Domination of the few over the many, and they can just put up with it. A genuine desire to rebalance would have taken longer and been less dramatic.
Of course she destroyed them because of a class war, denial changes nothing. Too many folk lived through it and know to be able to rewrite history.
As for the Falklands, well credit where credit is due. Although even there, there are tales that British Intelligence had already highlighted the possibility of an invasion, and nothing was done to prevent it. However fair enough, the reaction to the invasion was as it had to be.
Frankly Thatcher took a country that was going through a temporary difficult period, and with her desire to union bah and her slavish trust in Monetarism screwed much of the economy, caused much pain to many people, and it has had to recover since. Which of course it would eventually do regardless, since to do little more than baton down the hatches, and spend little, is the usual right wing approach to difficult times; and even then things eventually improve. It eventually recovers, or has done so far.
I think those who feel we are any sort of major power since the last World War is looking through rose tinted spectacles at their country. To think the world is a safer place because of Thatcher is IMO delusion in the extreme. No one was terrified of her (save arguably the working classes). "Feared Britain" indeed, where do folks think up their claims ?
And don't forget that to win votes she demanded councils sell off to tenants the local council housing stock at knock down prices to folk, many of whom didn't realise the cost of maintenance anyway. The rest made a killing at the expense of all us taxpayers. And some actually claim this bribe was a good thing. As I recall councils were not even allowed to build more council property with the little they got from the sales.
Truly she was an awful Prime Minister for internal national matters, merely showing some talent when dealing with other countries, which is where she may have been better employed.
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