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to Qatada once he is out of our country
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Jim, has the people in the world a right to walk the streets in peace? did the likes of them poor people in Boston have the right to cheer the runners with out some evil basds blowing them up? Does your Student loan cover the costs of your keeping whilst this evil piece of sht lives a life better than the pensioners in this country? I am not Hypocritical, I live in a real world, a world that can do without the likes of this evil basds. Is it the likes of this person that helps out indirectly with your loan?
Except that he has such a fear of being deported that he has fought to stay in this country for ten years. Nor do I see what my circumstances have to do with anything. As long as Qatada remains "human", then he remains entitled to human rights. Nothing else should matter.
If we really want to prove this man's twisted view of the West wrong then the way to do that is not to treat him with contempt, to throw him out of this country to a possible fate of pain, suffering, torture and death, but to allow him the protection of law as we have done. The reason he has stayed in this country is a good indictment, I think, of the fact that we care more about human rights than about punishing our enemies.
If we really want to prove this man's twisted view of the West wrong then the way to do that is not to treat him with contempt, to throw him out of this country to a possible fate of pain, suffering, torture and death, but to allow him the protection of law as we have done. The reason he has stayed in this country is a good indictment, I think, of the fact that we care more about human rights than about punishing our enemies.
JTH - Do you .know what Qatada has done ''wrong''?
1) In 1999, the cleric was convicted by Jordanian authorities of conspiracy cause explosions related to bombings at an American school. The sentence carried a life term.
2) He was convicted of a second crime, that of plotting to bomb tourists, and sentenced to a further 15 years a year later. On both occasions, Qatada was tried in absence.
3) He was featured in hate sermons found on videos in the flat of one of the 9/11 bombers.
He and his family entered the UK on fraudulent passports.
And now 60 police officers are deployed each day on round the clock surveillance of this man!
1) In 1999, the cleric was convicted by Jordanian authorities of conspiracy cause explosions related to bombings at an American school. The sentence carried a life term.
2) He was convicted of a second crime, that of plotting to bomb tourists, and sentenced to a further 15 years a year later. On both occasions, Qatada was tried in absence.
3) He was featured in hate sermons found on videos in the flat of one of the 9/11 bombers.
He and his family entered the UK on fraudulent passports.
And now 60 police officers are deployed each day on round the clock surveillance of this man!
Abu Qatada has Jordanian nationality because he was born in Bethlehem in the West Bank in 1960, which at that time was occupied by Jordan. In 1989 he went to Peshawar where he served as a professor of sharia sciences.[10][11] Although Abu Qatada distanced himself from al-Qaeda following his arrest in London, Fawaz Gerges remarks he had extensive contacts with al-Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan at the time.[12] Jason Burke notes, "Qutada [sic] has impeccable traditional and modern Salafist credentials and had acted as the in-house alim to radical groups, particularly in Algeria, from his base in northwest London since 1994". In 2001, after bin Laden was criticised by a Salafist faction for issuing fatwas, he turned to Abu Qatada for support, and the support was forthcoming.[13] In 1991, after the Gulf War, Abu Qatada was expelled from Kuwait along with many other Palestinians. He returned to Jordan, but in September 1993 he fled with his wife and five children to the UK, using a forged UAE passport. He requested asylum on grounds of religious persecution, claiming he had been tortured in Jordan, and this was granted in June 1994.[14][15]
In February 2001, Abu Qatada was arrested and questioned in connection with a German terror cell. There was insufficient evidence against him, and all charges were dropped. Tapes of his sermons were later discovered in a Hamburg flat used by the 9/11 hijackers[16] The Home Office stated that Abu Qatada was the spiritual guide to the 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta.[17] In the wake of 9/11, new anti-terror legislation was quickly introduced in the UK. Abu Qatada, who had hitherto lived with his family in Acton, west London, disappeared. His disappearance and his previous alleged contacts with MI5, prompted speculation by the Times that he was working with British intelligence and had agreed to provide them with information on suspects in the "war on terror". The Times reported that "Britain ignored warnings — which began before the 11 September attacks — from half a dozen friendly governments about Abu Qatada’s links with terrorist groups and refused to arrest him. Intelligence chiefs hid from European allies their intention to use the cleric as a key informer against Islamic militants in Britain."[18]
In October 2002 Abu Qatada was arrested at a council house in south London and taken to Belmarsh Prison. Here he began a long legal battle against deportation.[19]
Abu Qatada claims that he fears he would be tortured were he returned to Jordan. During this period Abu Qatada lived in a legal twilight as Asim Qureshi, of UK-based human rights group CagePrisoners, explained : "He has not been able to see the evidence against him neither has his lawyer. The only person representing him is a special advocate who is not allowed to speak to him or his solicitor. There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer," he said.[20]
Abu Qatada was kept in prison from 2002 until 2005, when he was released under strict bail conditions. After 5 months, he was re-arrested and kept in prison until May 2008. A British court ruled on 26 February 2007, that he may be deported to Jordan.[21] In April 2008, Abu Qatada won an appeal against
According to conservative politician Boris Johnson, Abu Qatada's residence in Britain is estimated to have cost the British taxpayer at least £500,000 in benefit
That's all, is that enough?
In February 2001, Abu Qatada was arrested and questioned in connection with a German terror cell. There was insufficient evidence against him, and all charges were dropped. Tapes of his sermons were later discovered in a Hamburg flat used by the 9/11 hijackers[16] The Home Office stated that Abu Qatada was the spiritual guide to the 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta.[17] In the wake of 9/11, new anti-terror legislation was quickly introduced in the UK. Abu Qatada, who had hitherto lived with his family in Acton, west London, disappeared. His disappearance and his previous alleged contacts with MI5, prompted speculation by the Times that he was working with British intelligence and had agreed to provide them with information on suspects in the "war on terror". The Times reported that "Britain ignored warnings — which began before the 11 September attacks — from half a dozen friendly governments about Abu Qatada’s links with terrorist groups and refused to arrest him. Intelligence chiefs hid from European allies their intention to use the cleric as a key informer against Islamic militants in Britain."[18]
In October 2002 Abu Qatada was arrested at a council house in south London and taken to Belmarsh Prison. Here he began a long legal battle against deportation.[19]
Abu Qatada claims that he fears he would be tortured were he returned to Jordan. During this period Abu Qatada lived in a legal twilight as Asim Qureshi, of UK-based human rights group CagePrisoners, explained : "He has not been able to see the evidence against him neither has his lawyer. The only person representing him is a special advocate who is not allowed to speak to him or his solicitor. There you have the bizarre situation where someone is representing him who has never met him or his lawyer," he said.[20]
Abu Qatada was kept in prison from 2002 until 2005, when he was released under strict bail conditions. After 5 months, he was re-arrested and kept in prison until May 2008. A British court ruled on 26 February 2007, that he may be deported to Jordan.[21] In April 2008, Abu Qatada won an appeal against
According to conservative politician Boris Johnson, Abu Qatada's residence in Britain is estimated to have cost the British taxpayer at least £500,000 in benefit
That's all, is that enough?
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Well done, TWR.
Did you read any of it, or did you just C&P it directly?
Assuming that you *have* read it, what criminal offences he has committed in this country?
I would be happy if he were to leave this country but, presently, our hands are tied in the matter.......and he is free to walk the streets because he has never been convicted of contravening British law.
Did you read any of it, or did you just C&P it directly?
Assuming that you *have* read it, what criminal offences he has committed in this country?
I would be happy if he were to leave this country but, presently, our hands are tied in the matter.......and he is free to walk the streets because he has never been convicted of contravening British law.
Again, why is do-gooder such an insult? It's hardly a skill to do good to my friends, and hardly a crime to do good to those who might be my enemies. I'd rather "do good" than not.
Apparently he has a serious problem with the West, to say the least. Anyone siding with Bin Laden needs a reality check. But I still don't want to see him tortured, or to see him convicted of a crime when the evidence is based on torture. Why not behave exactly the opposite of the way he is accusing us? Doing good, fighting for his human rights to be respected?
Apparently he has a serious problem with the West, to say the least. Anyone siding with Bin Laden needs a reality check. But I still don't want to see him tortured, or to see him convicted of a crime when the evidence is based on torture. Why not behave exactly the opposite of the way he is accusing us? Doing good, fighting for his human rights to be respected?
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