How Can It Be Wrong To Openly Say You Do Not Like Certain People?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321362/I-stand-Jewish-people-Lawyer-loses-career-office-rant-queue-jumping-man-medical-centre.html

/// Trouble began after she attended the Bardoc medical centre in Bury with her baby. The hearing was told a man dressed in Orthodox Jewish attire 'caused a scene' at the surgery and as a result was seen first by a doctor. ///

/// Back at the law firm Mrs Morris relayed the incident to a receptionist she shared her office with and said: 'I cannot stand Jewish people.' ///

Would she had been so treated if she had said "I cannot stand old people"?

[FredPuli43]

aog, can you attempt to answer your own questions by answering whether you see anything wrong at all in saying "I cannot stand Jewish people" either with reference to a Jew who is present or simply in the presence of a Jew?.

Do you see anything wrong at all in saying it when no Jews are present?

"At all" because it is interesting to know whether you can conceive of any circumstance when you would think it wrong, for any reason.

[boxtops]

stupid woman - all she needed to say was "I can't stand queue-jumpers"

[joeluke]

How about "I can't stand queue-jumpers, and this one was jewish"

Is that PC enough for the do-gooders ?

[boxtops]

A queue jumper is bad news, irrespective of any description of them

[FredPuli43]

"and this one was Jewish", joe. Why would anyone add those words?

[jim360]

I will never fully understand why anyone can think that "do-gooder" is in any way an insult.

It's very simple. Race, or religion, or gender, or sexual preference, have nothing to do with whether or not anyone is rude or inconsiderate. So to invoke such characteristics is to risk being labelled racist or sexist or whatever when you could have said "so-and-so was such a jerk by queue-jumping". That way you are guaranteed a) to be right, and b) not to lose yur job on the grounds of racial discrimination.

Furthermore, if you say something and then continue saying it when someone in earshot is clearly offended, you're also being insensitive and rude.

[joeluke]

Fred, additional info

[FredPuli43]

lol@joe.

Does remind me of a Jewish friend. If he saw loud, boorish behaviour by someone Jewish, he used to say quietly "That's the kind of thing that got us gassed". He might have added "and this one was Jewish" to saying that he couldn't stand queue jumpers. Can you work out why and what his thinking would be?

[sp1814]

joeluke

[i]How about "I can't stand queue-jumpers, and this one was Jewish"[i]

Still doesn't make a lick of sense does it.

Wouldn't most people think, "What does that have to do with it?"

[joeluke]

sp.......that sentence is not tarring all jewish people with the same brush, but is pointing out that this particular queue jumper was from that religion

[sara3]

there's just no need, joeluke

[joeluke]

So the do-gooders on this thread have never said anything criticising someone and adding a description of the culprit in the sentence?

It must be nice to be so perfect

[jackthehat]

Mrs Morris : "I can't stand Jewish people."

Mrs S : " Please don't say that."

Mrs Morris : "I don’t care, I cannot stand them ever since an incident at Bardoc." (which she then went on to explain)

That appears to be the order of events which puts a slightly different gloss on things....

[sara3]

why do you have to make having basic respect for others sound like an insult?

[joeluke]

Basic respect for someone who whinges in order to queue jump?

Why would they deserve any?

[Bazile]

// sp.......that sentence is not tarring all jewish people with the same brush, but is pointing out that this particular queue jumper was from that religion //

But why would you want to highlight that he was from that religion ?

It might be different if someone asked you what ( and i cant think why someone would ) was his religion / ethnicity

[FredPuli43]

joe, please read my post @17.36 ( just above your latest) What would my friend's thinking be in saying "and he [the queue jumper] was Jewish ? He knew that there are, and have been, plenty of people who treat the bad behaviour of one as justification for hating all Jews. It's evidence to justify their anti-semitism; it's arguing from the specific to the general and has no logic, but anti-semites, like racists the world over, do not have a need for logic.

And for anyone else to say "and he was Jewish" speaks of that thought process.

As my friend would say of the behaviour, " That's the kind of thing that got us gassed"

[sara3]

joeluke, you're having problems understanding this, aren't you?

whinge about queue jumpers by all means. there is NO REASON to add someone's religion!

[joeluke]

Why not, it's just an additional fact

Like "he had ginger hair, he had a beard, he wore glasses, he was ugly" etc etc

[whiskeryron]

// 'I cannot stand Jewish people who whinge so that they can queue jump"
Can anyone spot the superfluous word? //

Yes it is PEOPLE. Because it is obvious that people cause these problems, if there were no people there would be no problems, therefore I shall have a word with our glorious leader to draft a bill to get rid of people thereby solving the problem in one stroke.

WR.