Some Very Worring Figures

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10053846/One-in-five-murder-and-rape-suspects-are-foreign-nationals-figures-show.html

/// In London immigrant accounted for more than a third of the 210 rape suspects who were charged. ///

/// Twenty four were from Jamaica, 14 from Nigeria, 13 from Poland and ten from Portugal. ///

/// Out of 180 suspects charged with murder in the capital, 41 were foreign - including seven from Jamaica and five each from Turkey, Poland and
Sri Lanka. ///

/// Suffolk had the highest percentage of foreign murder suspects – almost three quarters of those charged with the offence were immigrants. ///

Can this be the downside of the Multi Culture experiment?

[Zeuhl]

/the Multi Culture experiment? /

It's not an experiment - it's life

People moving around the world is a global phenomenon

People moving into and around this country has always happened

Violent crime has always been with us regardless of immigration - and the overall trend is downwards

BTW do your stats tell you how many of the 'immigrant murderers' were actually murdering other immigrants? It's usually one form of self-liquidation.

[Bbbananas]

Does this bedroom tax apply to private tenants? Surely not.
I live in a 3 bedrooms house, all on my ownsome. I can't find anger £80 per month, but would hate to have to I've,

[Bbbananas]

Ignore that ^ wrong thread entirely, sorry aog

[Zacs-Master]

There doesn't seem to be any stat's saying how many of the murder and rape victims were also born outside Britain. Without this info it's difficult to anser your question. Also without the full picture ('Only 37 out of the 43 police forces responded to the request for figures') the figures are skewed.

[sp1814]

Very troubling figures, but they should be taken as a whole, rather than extracted to form one's entire view if multiculturalism, surely.

I mean, who would look at those figures and judge multiculturalism in those alone?

[jim360]

If 1/5 were immigrants, then 4/5 were not. The number of cases associated with immigrants may be disproportionate, but still it shows that the problem is mainly among people resident here.

[sp1814]

By the way - experiment???

[sp1814]

Something else that should be taken on board are the police forces from which these figures derive.

If, as we have been told from various sources, that many of our inner cities are now predominantly non-white, would it not follow that crimes in those areas will be over-represented by non-white criminals?

And in areas where the local population are predominantly UK-born citizens, the figures would reflect this?

[douglas9401]

Border controls enforced by motivated staff checking backgrounds in real time at the point of entry may help. If it's a problem for new arrivals to have a bit of patience while due diligence is applied then tough.
False passports, previous convictions, wads of cash, multiple credit cards in different names and others yet to come to mind should equal a free flight back to where they've just come on the first available plane.

[sp1814]

Also - should we be wary of jumping to conclusions on multi-culturalism, seeing as these figures relate to foreign nationals, not British people from ethnic minorities?

Perhaps that's a better view of the success of multiculturalism?

[jake-the-peg]

//Border controls enforced by motivated staff checking backgrounds in real time at the point of entry may help.//

Too many people seem to think illegal immigrants all come in on he back of lorries at the dead on night and that the answer is Alsations and machine gun posts at Dover.

I suspect the majority come in on student or holiday visas and overstay or work illegally.

[Octavius]

Out of 180 suspects charged with murder in the capital, 41 were foreign.

I imagine it was a lot higher when the normans turned up.

[Kevink]

Interesting that the figures given are for suspects not convictions - I wonder why?

[FredPuli43]

It would be better if nobody confused suspected, arrested, charged, and convicted. Only convicted matters, though charged means a prima facie case on the prosecution's papers alone,without hearing the defence.

Nationwide, 93 out of more than 550 murders is not exceptional, given the percentage of "foreigners". Suffolk is more interesting. There the proportion is exceptional. The trouble is that few murders are committed in Suffolk. If there were 2 murders in any given place and one was by a foreigner that would be 50 per cent of murders there, and so on for every number until the figure becomes statistically significant

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// If 1/5 were immigrants, then 4/5 were not. The number of cases associated with immigrants may be disproportionate, but still it shows that the problem is mainly among people resident here. ///

Now that must have really took some time to work out, well done that man.

[jim360]

You can mock me all you like, AOG. Yet so many people make this sort of mistake, and never look at the flipside.

The classic pointless statistic: "50% of obese people earn below the national average wage... a spokesman said 'This highlights the sad link between obesity and poverty'." Which, of course, it does no such thing -- as 50% of the obese must also earn above the national average wage, so that in fact there is no demonstration of a link between poverty and obesity.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Also - should we be wary of jumping to conclusions on multi-culturalism, seeing as these figures relate to foreign nationals, not British people from ethnic minorities? ///

/// Perhaps that's a better view of the success of multiculturalism? ///

How can that be proven, when they haven't provided the figures for those?

[Zacs-Master]

Personal insults rather than measured intelligent replies do your standing no good AOG.

[Zacs-Master]

They haven't provided the figures to be able to judge your original proposition which makes your question unanswerable.

[Zeuhl]

/do your standing no good AOG./

I would have thought they reinforce it :-)