Should There Now Be An Inquiry Into Why This Case Took So Long Coming To Light?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324386/Missed-chances-halt-sex-gang-Police-social-workers-apologise-girls-tortured-medieval-predators-chief-constable-refuses-resign.html

There have been calls for the chief constable of Thames Valley Police to resign, but she is not the only one who was responsible for the years this case had been ignored.

They were not all Pakistanis, these two monsters were from Entrea, however they are still Muslims.

/// Their civil servant father brought them to Britain from Eritrea to give them the best chance in life. ///

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324629/Egyptian-Mo-Sam-Rapist-The-middle-class-brothers-father-wanted-study-Oxford-University.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324621/Girl-12-branded-hairpin-raped-sold-sex-600-hour.html

[LazyGun]

Thinking of other humans as being members of a "different breed" is what leads to the worst kinds of outrages, excesses and atrocities. You could draw up a list of some of the worst examples of human behaviour throughout history, and at its heart would be the belief that other humans are a different breed, or that one culture is so morally superior to another that it has the right to treat its members inhumanely.

If the culture is to be examined, so should the religion that underpins it. This does not mean though that all people who are leballed or who self-identify as being part of that culture are equally culpable or equally likely to commit such acts, or who not find such actions equally shocking and horrible.

[ludwig]

// I don't think it's the religion. I think it's thinking of white girls as of a "different breed", to borrow your expression //

I think there's a mentality which comes from a combination of religious and cultural background that sees non muslim girls as worthless w****s on account of their perceived decadence and 'immodesty', and therefore fair game for this kind of abuse.

Obviously it goes without saying that the people involved have to be vile scumbags as well, but it's this additional factor that contributes to the fact that we've seen a number of cases like this recently.

[Zeuhl]

/if so, the Roman Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. It seems to fit your criteria /

Indeed so. I agree.

But that still doesn't let the Muslim religion off the hook

[chrisgel]

From the Derby Case
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345636/Sex-grooming-gangs-target-teenage-girls-subject-national-inquiry.html

//Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a Muslim youth organisation, was condemned by many within his own community when he highlighted the issue two years ago.//
He said //‘There is a perception that these white girls have lesser morals and lesser values than women of Pakistani heritage.//

[chrisgel]

Also - Last week researchers identified 17 prosecutions since 1997, 14 of them in the past three years, involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16.
The victims came from 13 towns and cities and in each case two or more men were convicted of offences. In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child.
Three of the 56 were white, the rest Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community.

[1ndex]

Heads should roll @TVP & mosques

[FredPuli43]

"Off the hook " suggests a sweeping statement about religions. How many of these victims, in any of the numerous cases, were of Pakistani origin or Muslim? The absence of non-white, whether Muslim or not, suggests that the victims are chosen because they are not like the offenders..

That wouldn't be a surprise. Humans are inclined to regard others who are not like them as inferior or alarming [" Who's 'e, Jim?" " A stranger" " 'eave 'alf a brick at 'im" was the old Punch cartoon.] My grandmother memorably remarked,to my mother, of a maid who'd cut herself badly "Don't fuss dear. They don't feel pain like we do". It's universal, of all creeds and societies, and the difference may be class, colour, religion, being from a different village, or almost anything else.

[sp1814]

AOG

I tried to engage you in a discussion on the topic you raised by asking a question as to what kind of inquiry should be initiated.

I'm not sure, but I think you may have taken my response as being sarcastic, when it very much wasn't.

[Zeuhl]

I dunno about that sp

I invoked Godwin's Law (sub section AOG part2) because he mentioned Stephen Lawrence and he skedaddled

[sp1814]

Zeuhl

Hmmm...yes, that's why I thought he may have thought my initial response to his question was sarcastic. But now I wonder whether AOG genuinely feels that an independent judicial review (which is what I believe was set up for the Lawrence case) is the way to go.

AOG?

[jno]

it's been suggested that the common factor isn't that the men are Muslims, or have dark skins, but that Asians are the people who work late at night - kebab stalls, corner shops, whatever - are those most likely to come into contact with lost girls. This seems a more likely hypothesis than speculation about whether Asians are sexually repressed.

[Answerprancer]

"Taking up your usual stance as a loathsome troublemaker?"
I get it, anyone who hits back at your (mostly) Daily Mail sourced dictatorial dogma is a "troublemaker".
So long as you keep posting dubious anti-humanitarian angry posts, people like myself, Zeuhl, Gromit, Canary etc etc will react ...live with it.

[chrisgel]

jno - These girls weren't "lost". They were "found". I consider the statement about asians working nights to be a laughably peurile attempt once again to dodge the real issue.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Hmmm...yes, that's why I thought he may have thought my initial response to his question was sarcastic. But now I wonder whether AOG genuinely feels that an independent judicial review (which is what I believe was set up for the Lawrence case) is the way to go. ///

I thought I made that perfectly clear when I mentioned the Lawrence inquiry, why else would I?

Just do not listen to the murmurings of that 'sea creature' I have not for a long time, his mouth is much bigger than his bite.

[sp1814]

AOG - I see. A judicial review such as those held after the Stephen Lawrence murder and Hillsborough.

I think however, that it would make sense for independent inquiries to be made by social services, as these can be conducted a lot quicker than a public inquiry?

[Zeuhl]

/Just do not listen to the murmurings of that 'sea creature' I have not for a long time, his mouth is much bigger than his bite./

LOL

I would say 'act your age not your shoe size' aog

But i suppose you are approaching that stage when they begin to converge

Anyway, thanks for confirming that you are no longer capable of debating with me, answering my questions or adding anything to my posts.

Can't say I'm surprised or disappointed

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I think however, that it would make sense for independent inquiries to be made by social services, as these can be conducted a lot quicker than a public inquiry? ///

Certainly not since 'Social Services' in this case is allegedly one of the 'usual suspects'.

Regarding it being conducted a lot quicker than a public inquiry, why the rush since it has taken since 2005 for this affair even to come to light?

[Answerprancer]

Do they measure shoe sizes in millimetres?

[sp1814]

AOG

Why the rush?

Because if there are inherent failings in the system they need to be addressed as soon as possible to prevent the same happening to vulnerable girls right now.

And social services are key to the investigation - they need to put their own house in order, with independent oversight (eg. a MacPherson character).

[FredPuli43]

Not quite, AP. French shoe sizes are in larger numbers than ours; a size 8 is 40. Whether this makes the insult any better is, of course, debatable.