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Nelson Mandela - 'murdering Old Terrorist'
...according to Nick Griffin
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Who also charmingly cracked the following witticism:
'No surprise #Mandela’s lungs are shot - all those burning tyres. Smoking necklaces very bad for the health.’
Remember earlier this year after Thatcher died, and those who raised criticisms about her premiership were told that they were being disrespectful? Should the same apply to commentators on the political right, especially when the subject is still alive?
Or is this all fair comment?
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Who also charmingly cracked the following witticism:
'No surprise #Mandela’s lungs are shot - all those burning tyres. Smoking necklaces very bad for the health.’
Remember earlier this year after Thatcher died, and those who raised criticisms about her premiership were told that they were being disrespectful? Should the same apply to commentators on the political right, especially when the subject is still alive?
Or is this all fair comment?
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AOG wrote
//I decided to leave it up to the intelligence of the reader to make such exceptions, obviously I failed this one time.//
what a highly 'unintelligent' rhetoric AOG. Perhaps I could suggest you should have written '' Apart from the obvious exceptions, respect should be shown no matter what. '' Therefore clarifying, for those subscribers less intelligent and clairvoyant, what exactly you are trying to say.
//I decided to leave it up to the intelligence of the reader to make such exceptions, obviously I failed this one time.//
what a highly 'unintelligent' rhetoric AOG. Perhaps I could suggest you should have written '' Apart from the obvious exceptions, respect should be shown no matter what. '' Therefore clarifying, for those subscribers less intelligent and clairvoyant, what exactly you are trying to say.
Frankly,I disagree with the principal of obligatory respect upon the death of any public figure. Any criticisms made of them will be no different really from those made throughout the deceased's life. I found the shotgun-sycophancy of the Thatcher funeral disturbing and rather pathetic, and I feel the same towards Nelson Mandela.
These people are public figures, and the fact that they have died or are dying does not change my opinion of them. It's their status as icons or political entities which gets debated - and I don't really see that it's much more damaging to families to do so when they die than to do so when they are alive.
These people are public figures, and the fact that they have died or are dying does not change my opinion of them. It's their status as icons or political entities which gets debated - and I don't really see that it's much more damaging to families to do so when they die than to do so when they are alive.
Depends on the nature of the criticism and the crudeness with which it is expressed. In my view Griffin exposes himself as a bitter little racist with his comments, but it is good that we should be reminded of the nature of the beast.
I don't see that it is hypocritical to disagree with his comments while making outspoken comments about, say, Thatcher, or indeed vice versa. As long as the criticism is not along the lines of "You shouldn't ever make nasty remarks about anyone" in which case plainly it IS hypocritical.
I don't see that it is hypocritical to disagree with his comments while making outspoken comments about, say, Thatcher, or indeed vice versa. As long as the criticism is not along the lines of "You shouldn't ever make nasty remarks about anyone" in which case plainly it IS hypocritical.
Epona
This was the passage I was referring to,
//I decided to leave it up to the intelligence of the reader to make such exceptions, obviously I failed this one time.//
when I put /// Like I said, "I failed this one time" ///.
But it would seem that for the second time you seem unable to reason the obvious.
This was the passage I was referring to,
//I decided to leave it up to the intelligence of the reader to make such exceptions, obviously I failed this one time.//
when I put /// Like I said, "I failed this one time" ///.
But it would seem that for the second time you seem unable to reason the obvious.
"Yes, but surely it achieves nothing by continuing to speak ill of a person when they have died, much better to say nothing if one has nothing good to say about them. "
Well, I don't agree for one. Bearing in mind also that if you aren't careful your remarks will sometimes say more about you than about the person you are talking about which is certainly the case with Nick Griffin here.
Well, I don't agree for one. Bearing in mind also that if you aren't careful your remarks will sometimes say more about you than about the person you are talking about which is certainly the case with Nick Griffin here.
"Yes, but surely it achieves nothing by continuing to speak ill of a person when they have died, much better to say nothing if one has nothing good to say about them."
I don't really care what it achieves to be honest. In the public sphere, people should have the right to say what they please - including if other people find it distasteful. And personally, I don't think debating the legacy or actions of political figures is a futile or unworthy exercise.
I don't really care what it achieves to be honest. In the public sphere, people should have the right to say what they please - including if other people find it distasteful. And personally, I don't think debating the legacy or actions of political figures is a futile or unworthy exercise.
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