Well Now That Is Interesting!!

[RATTER15]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342217/Pakistan-internet-users-Google-searches-gay-sex-despite-worlds-homophobic-countries.html

Who would have thought that!!

[emmie]

I have known this place all my life, you can't know everything about it, but i know about the life blood, the people and the way it worked. Most of London was white working class British, English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, rightly or wrongly. It didn't have a majority black, asian population, which it will one day. Integration works all ways, and many pockets of the capital there is little. Melting pot fine, i am glad when i see inter racial relationships, i was in one for a long while, in fact two or three, never saw colour as an issue, however this is a different ball game.

[emmie]

jno, they are acting against the west, they despise democracy, i liken them to fascists, Nazis, they want domination, to turn previous secular countries back to the stone age. Have a look at what's currently going on in Turkey, Egypt, if that doesn't convince people that the powers that be want to control and impose their will on the people, and those same people, especially the young don't want it, to be told what to wear, what to think, it's madness.

[chrisgel]

Em10 - //when in Rome still stands, for me and them.//
Absolutely agree with you. As i have stated before "I have no problem with people coming to this country to avail themselves of the opportunities and freedoms it offers but I take offence at people who try to turn this country into a mirror of the place they have come from"

[Zeuhl]

em

take your point

i don't think i'm being complacent but

/ok to marry your child off to an old man... Genital mutilation on little girls...endless streams of young girls and women decked out in burqua/

a tiny proportion of our population

and still only a generation or two into our society

London is different - but it has always been a special case

Perhaps the changes you describe have equivalents in all the world's major cities; New York for example strikes me as changing a lot in the past 30 years

[emmie]

i found the same when travelling across parts of Europe where British people settled, a friend had a villa out in Spain, he mixed with and spoke Spanish, however most of his compatriots did not. Preferring their little clique, what a total waste of time moving, apart from the weather.

[naomi24]

This from a 'moderate' Muslim.

//As far as the domination of Islam is concerned. Truth always come out on top, sooner or later. You believe it or not. Your problem.//

Why are people surprised when others voice their concerns?

[Zeuhl]

em

why would events in Turkey and Egypt (regrettable though they are) set any sort of precedent for UK or Europe as they are inter-Muslim struggles in muslim majority countries?

[Zeuhl]

//As far as the domination of Islam is concerned. Truth always come out on top, sooner or later. You believe it or not. Your problem.//

What's wrong with that?

Interesting you seem to read it (regardless of the writer's intent) as Islam coming out on top

[emmie]

Zheul having worked and lived here all my life, i know it like nothing else, from black west indian communities to the Chinese who settled in and around Gerrard Streeet. They have been here longer than most, and many i come across still don't speak a word of English. It was a great trading port, and when you see old pictures you know it's had a long history with peoples from around the world, but the majority who settled in these lands, were from the British Isles. With an open door EU policy and a lax to barmy border control there isn't any way of knowing how many people even live in the UK, and certainly not the capital. You could lose your self here and never come to light.

[Zeuhl]

/You could lose your self here and never come to light. /

stop it em - you're making it sound exciting :-)

sorry; interesting discussion but must go and show my face at the office

play nicely! :-)

[emmie]

because in Turkey the hardliners are trying to take them backwards, and Egypt the same. That the hardliners are winning, like the Nation of Islam, they have brought these ideologies to Britain, we have no way of knowing how the future pans out, but i don't see the current crop of people assimilating in the way that many have. It should be when in Rome, now it's not. Everything translated in dozens of languages, why, if you want people to learn, English is our language.

[naomi24]

Zeuhl, I and several others here had the conversation with that particular man and, whatever excuses you choose to make for it, there was no doubt of his meaning. This is the same man who told us that Muslims are coming to the west not for a better life, but to show us ‘the way’, and that he would like to see the flag of Islam flying over Downing street. Wherever Muslims come from, they are Muslims first and citizens of their country of origin – or of adoption – second. They are a ‘brotherhood’ – and, for them, Islam takes precedence over everything else.