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The Continuing Pantomime Of Ian Brady
This has been discussed on here before but today's court appearance by this loathsome man has made me so angry :::
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I have never, and will never support the death penalty. But if this horrible creature wants to take his own life, can't we give him a cup of hemlock and let him get on with it ?
He is still playing games with everybody, in the same way that he was nearly 50 years ago.
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I have never, and will never support the death penalty. But if this horrible creature wants to take his own life, can't we give him a cup of hemlock and let him get on with it ?
He is still playing games with everybody, in the same way that he was nearly 50 years ago.
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I say keep him where he is. Why should he have the choice whether he lives or dies? He never gave his victims that choice.
I read in one of the Sunday papers that he has written down where Keith is and he doesn't want it published until he dies....why can the Police not demand to see it or is he playing more games?
I read in one of the Sunday papers that he has written down where Keith is and he doesn't want it published until he dies....why can the Police not demand to see it or is he playing more games?
It is a curious legal position. Were he adjudged sane, we'd have to let him starve himself to death, because forcibly feeding him is assault . And for those who think that's because it would be interfering with his "human rights", and it's those damn foreigners interfering, with that Human Rights Act we signed up to, you are wrong yet again and for the umpteenth time ! It was established as law in the time of the suffragettes.And it's why we didn't force-feed IRA hunger strikers, though it would provide a martyr to the cause.
As it is, he isn't and we can and must. It's a fair bet that if we left him to die, he wouldn't, because there is evidence that he's getting soup and toast, which he makes for himself, now. He is an attention seeking narcissist, which is part of his illness. I'd be inclined not to feed him and thus to deny him the attention he craves.
As it is, he isn't and we can and must. It's a fair bet that if we left him to die, he wouldn't, because there is evidence that he's getting soup and toast, which he makes for himself, now. He is an attention seeking narcissist, which is part of his illness. I'd be inclined not to feed him and thus to deny him the attention he craves.
I am reminded of an incident from my youth. I lived in North London in the 1950's and early 1960's and attended a Junior School about 3 miles away from our home in Wembley. My Mum took me to school for the first couple of years and then I went on unaccompanied apart from 2 others kids in my street. We had to walk for about 500 yards to a Bus Stop, then catch a bus for about 5 stops and then walk another 500-600 yards to the School.
This was quite normal for the time. Children were not molly-coddled as they are today, when they have to be carried everywhere in 4-wheel drive cars. Everything was fine until suddenly my parents, and all the others started to accompany us back and forth every day again, which we didn't really want or welcome, as it interfered with illicit visits to sweet shops
It was only many years later that I realised the reason for this sudden change...it was the Moors Murders. It was the cause célébre of the century.
My Mum told me when she was quite old, that Brady and Hindley frightened her to death.
Maybe its time he was gone for good. If they want someone to mix the hemlock, then I am available at any time, at short notice, and I won't charge a penny !
This was quite normal for the time. Children were not molly-coddled as they are today, when they have to be carried everywhere in 4-wheel drive cars. Everything was fine until suddenly my parents, and all the others started to accompany us back and forth every day again, which we didn't really want or welcome, as it interfered with illicit visits to sweet shops
It was only many years later that I realised the reason for this sudden change...it was the Moors Murders. It was the cause célébre of the century.
My Mum told me when she was quite old, that Brady and Hindley frightened her to death.
Maybe its time he was gone for good. If they want someone to mix the hemlock, then I am available at any time, at short notice, and I won't charge a penny !
"I lived in North London in the 1950's and early 1960's and attended a Junior School about 3 miles away from our home in Wembley."
which school ?
I was brought up in Kingsbury, Salmon Street till my late teens, could see the "twin towers" from my bedroom, was about 1.5 miles away,could hear the concerts if the wind was in the right direction
which school ?
I was brought up in Kingsbury, Salmon Street till my late teens, could see the "twin towers" from my bedroom, was about 1.5 miles away,could hear the concerts if the wind was in the right direction
I do not care if Ian Brady lives or dies - whether he were hypothetically to be allowed to die now or to be forced to live on has nothing to do with justice. He's no longer a threat to anyone, and that's all that really matters.
What I think this hearing does raise, however, is the issue of insanity. I've often heard people say that you 'must be insane' to commit acts like those of Brady, but I simply don't think it's the case. Brady understood his actions, and that they had potential consequences - and he chose to undertake them anyway, out of pure sadism. This is not, in my opinion, the same thing as insanity.
I would argue that most of us (including myself) are capable of monstrous deeds. We're also capable of extraordinary kindness. I don't think that either of those in and of themselves signify insantiy.
What I think this hearing does raise, however, is the issue of insanity. I've often heard people say that you 'must be insane' to commit acts like those of Brady, but I simply don't think it's the case. Brady understood his actions, and that they had potential consequences - and he chose to undertake them anyway, out of pure sadism. This is not, in my opinion, the same thing as insanity.
I would argue that most of us (including myself) are capable of monstrous deeds. We're also capable of extraordinary kindness. I don't think that either of those in and of themselves signify insantiy.
Krom, //I would argue that most of us (including myself) are capable of monstrous deeds.//
I don't know if that's right - but I'm rather pleased you said 'most' and not 'all'. I do not believe I am capable of doing what he did - and, more to the point, why would I want to? Regardless of any professional assessment, that is one sick mind.
I don't know if that's right - but I'm rather pleased you said 'most' and not 'all'. I do not believe I am capable of doing what he did - and, more to the point, why would I want to? Regardless of any professional assessment, that is one sick mind.
// he chose to undertake them anyway, out of pure sadism. This is not, in my opinion, the same thing as insanity.//
The definition of Sadism: the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain, cruelty, degradation, or humiliation, or, watching such behaviours inflicted on others.
The mindset of a sane person? I don’t think so.
The definition of Sadism: the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain, cruelty, degradation, or humiliation, or, watching such behaviours inflicted on others.
The mindset of a sane person? I don’t think so.
naomi:
'sane' people take pleasure in causing pain and misfortune all the time - it's a very human trait. Admittedly not to the same degree as Brady did (and I am most certainly NOT saying that this makes Brady's actions less immoral - that's entirely separate).
You don't need to be insane to be a sadist.
'sane' people take pleasure in causing pain and misfortune all the time - it's a very human trait. Admittedly not to the same degree as Brady did (and I am most certainly NOT saying that this makes Brady's actions less immoral - that's entirely separate).
You don't need to be insane to be a sadist.
The assumption is that he knows exactly the spot on a moor where the body is located from half a century ago, and he is withholding this information. This is a ploy to continue preventing him from terminating his existence, which he should be allowed to do forthwith. Likewise he is being continually diagnosed as being mad, which I don't believe he is, - he is or was, just bad. For heaven's sake let him die.
Krom, I disagree. If that’s a human trait, then I’m not human. You’re right. People do take pleasure in causing pain and misfortune all the time, but I don’t regard those who do it as normal – or sane. There's nothing sane about taking pleasure in someone else's pain or misfortune. It’s twisted - and it's sick.
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