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Unite's stated aim regarding the Labour Party is to:
"shift the balance in the party away from middle class academics and professionals towards people who have actually represented workers and fought the boss"
Which doesn't sound good for Ed, a career politician and the son of an academic.
What should Labour do?
Unite's stated aim regarding the Labour Party is to:
"shift the balance in the party away from middle class academics and professionals towards people who have actually represented workers and fought the boss"
Which doesn't sound good for Ed, a career politician and the son of an academic.
What should Labour do?
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QM, Tory donors aren't as specific as Labour ones. Unite, and, historically, the unions want to dictate the whole of policy and select candidates. All Tory donors want is any Tory government. The unions still have a, sometimes decisive, say in who the party leader is; that's how we got the present leader. Not Tory donors have that.
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Lord Ashcroft has historically had a significant influence on Party Leader and policy, and he has been a massive multi-million pound donor to the tories.
So I do not think it is as simple as unions interfere but tory donors are just content with any old tory government Fred....
I have no problem with unions having a voice in the selection of party leader, having some input into policy, and even selection of candidates - provided that it one voice amongst many, and they do not engage in machine politics as they appear to have done in Falkirk....
So I do not think it is as simple as unions interfere but tory donors are just content with any old tory government Fred....
I have no problem with unions having a voice in the selection of party leader, having some input into policy, and even selection of candidates - provided that it one voice amongst many, and they do not engage in machine politics as they appear to have done in Falkirk....
The Telegraph credited Lord Ashcroft with moving Conservative Party policies on Europe, Welfare, Taxation and Education to the right.
He was Deputy Chair of the Tory Party - itself an influential position.
Some of the millions invested into the Tory Party was conditional upon the money being spent on candidates he approved of.
He oversaw where his money was spent within the Tory Party.
So, no policy with his name at the bottom of it, but a huge influence nonetheless.
He was Deputy Chair of the Tory Party - itself an influential position.
Some of the millions invested into the Tory Party was conditional upon the money being spent on candidates he approved of.
He oversaw where his money was spent within the Tory Party.
So, no policy with his name at the bottom of it, but a huge influence nonetheless.
// I don't understand all this "out of touch" stuff. Granted, those who have been to Oxbridge are unlikely to ever understand what it's like to live rough on £2 a week with barely half a rug to call their own,,//
Not necessarily. It’s a mistake to assume that only the wealthy gain places at the best universities.
If anyone is out of touch, it’s the Labour party and Mr McCluskey. Thankfully, the days when the unions ruled and the working man worked without aspiration have gone. Most people want better now. Old Labour died years ago.
//Is Jake-the-peg reading this? Jake - they want you out of the party!//
Ha ha! Very good!
Not necessarily. It’s a mistake to assume that only the wealthy gain places at the best universities.
If anyone is out of touch, it’s the Labour party and Mr McCluskey. Thankfully, the days when the unions ruled and the working man worked without aspiration have gone. Most people want better now. Old Labour died years ago.
//Is Jake-the-peg reading this? Jake - they want you out of the party!//
Ha ha! Very good!
this is fraud surely
One Labour source said: ‘Most constituency parties were getting three or four new members a month. Then Falkirk gets 150 to 200 in a single month. Alarm bells were raised. The party’s compliance unit started to look at it. Ed must have been told.’
Mr McCluskey said: ‘We have done nothing wrong. We’ve had shadow cabinet members saying that Unite have overstepped the mark. What does that mean? We asked too many of our members to join the Labour Party. We should have told them that the Labour Party was full up perhaps?’
He accused Mr Miliband of deliberately picking a fight in an echo of Tony Blair’s ‘Clause IV moment’.
One Labour source said: ‘Most constituency parties were getting three or four new members a month. Then Falkirk gets 150 to 200 in a single month. Alarm bells were raised. The party’s compliance unit started to look at it. Ed must have been told.’
Mr McCluskey said: ‘We have done nothing wrong. We’ve had shadow cabinet members saying that Unite have overstepped the mark. What does that mean? We asked too many of our members to join the Labour Party. We should have told them that the Labour Party was full up perhaps?’
He accused Mr Miliband of deliberately picking a fight in an echo of Tony Blair’s ‘Clause IV moment’.
Don't think Ed has deliberately picked a fight. He desperately doesn't want to highlight the Unions' role in the Labour Party as that is toxic to the voters. Which is why Cameron has been harping on about Falkirk for weeks. More like the Conservative press have decided to highlight this.
There were irregularities found. The process was stopped and an investigation made. Not sure how head could have handled it differently. But a Milliband v McCluskey bitch fight is great for the Telegraph and the Mail (And Cameron).
As has been pointed out, Lord Ashcroft, as a party donor, inserts a similar influence over the Conservatives. Political donations are a flawed way of funding polictical parties in a democracy. Almost inviting corruption and misuse.
There were irregularities found. The process was stopped and an investigation made. Not sure how head could have handled it differently. But a Milliband v McCluskey bitch fight is great for the Telegraph and the Mail (And Cameron).
As has been pointed out, Lord Ashcroft, as a party donor, inserts a similar influence over the Conservatives. Political donations are a flawed way of funding polictical parties in a democracy. Almost inviting corruption and misuse.
YMB, I may well have a 'chip', but you have a whole 'potato'. You generally seem to find it impossible to express a political view without using some mantra inspired by a no-account hack of a sub-editor on the Sun or other gutter Tory rag!
Fred, I'm invariably in the pub at 10 pm on a Friday, but - had I been here - I'd have been saying precisely what LazyGun said as regards Ashcroft's input to Tory policy. Incidentally, has he paid any of the taxes he promised Willie Hague he would pay once he got his peerage and is he now genuinely 'domiciled' in the UK?
You got the Tory leader you now have because the shire ladies and Tory press were so impressed by Cameron's ability to give a speech without notes. They were apparently unaware that jobbing actors up and down the land perform such 'feats' nightly!
Fred, I'm invariably in the pub at 10 pm on a Friday, but - had I been here - I'd have been saying precisely what LazyGun said as regards Ashcroft's input to Tory policy. Incidentally, has he paid any of the taxes he promised Willie Hague he would pay once he got his peerage and is he now genuinely 'domiciled' in the UK?
You got the Tory leader you now have because the shire ladies and Tory press were so impressed by Cameron's ability to give a speech without notes. They were apparently unaware that jobbing actors up and down the land perform such 'feats' nightly!
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