Should This Man Be Given Legal Aid?

[naomi24]

A Muslim terror fanatic banned from Britain for being a threat to national security has been given legal aid in a bid to win a UK passport.

Tory MP Douglas Carswell said: “Foreigners must think we are mad. We use taxpayers’ cash to allow people who want to defeat us on the battlefield fight us in our courts.” I agree with him.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5015438/Fanatics-legal-aid-in-bid-for-passport.html#ixzz2ZHczgNwT

[Baldric]

///stripped of British citizenship by Home Secretary Theresa May following evidence he had undergone terror training in Afghanistan.///

Unfair catch 22 situation! . . . . . .Yeh right?

[Sqad]

Baldric...;-)

[Gromit]

If there are people involved in terrorism we should capture them, prosecute them and put them in jail where they cannot do any harm.

We should not wait for them to go on holiday and then not let them return to their families.

It should be about neutralising terrorists, not passing them on to others.

[Sqad]

Gromit...I agree....but in this case it would appear that the evidence would not stand up in a court of Law.

So...I ask again.....had you been Home Secretary, what would you have done?

[Octavius]

With the massive amount of information not cinluded within that Sun report, how can one dtermine one way or another. Solely on the basis of the scant evidence presented in the OP("terrorist", "fanatic", "Muslim", "extremist", "stripped", "funded by taxpayer" etc etc), it would have to be 'no' wouldn't it - its got all the right words in.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, I think you missed both B00’s point and mine. If this man has been banned from Britain because he’s deemed a threat to national security, he clearly doesn’t like Britain much does he? Therefore, why would he want a British passport? There do seem to be plenty around like him.

Douglas, very good. You always make me laugh. :o)

Gromit, // If there are people involved in terrorism we should capture them, prosecute them and put them in jail where they cannot do any harm.//

You’re suggesting whole life sentences then?

[Baldric]

Gromit,
I'm referring to the newly trained terrorist in the OPs link, where on Earth does it say we nicked his Passport when he was on holiday?

[tonyav]

If there are people involved in terrorism we should capture them, prosecute them and put them in jail where they cannot do any harm.//


Why should we have to pay to keep them, if they are a threat to national security then deport them.

[ichkeria]

Baldric, the question you asked was:
"Why is he getting legal aid if he's not a British Citizen"
if I understood correctly to whch I think my reply is perfectly reasonable. Regardless of anything else.

[Octavius]

"if they are a threat to national security then deport them."

Yes, but within the bounds of international law. Theresa May has some experience of flouting this and getting it wrong, so it just costs us more....

[tonyav]

Doubt if she will get it wrong again though.

[Baldric]

He is not a British Citizen,
So why should we fund his appeal to become one?
Why do you think it is reasonable for us to fund an appeal by someone who has been judged to be undesirable as a citizen of this Country?

[ichkeria]

"Why do you think it is reasonable for us to fund an appeal by someone who has been judged to be undesirable as a citizen of this Country? "

At the risk of labouring the point and boring everyone else to death :-)
In principle yes of course. A "judgement" has been made affecting someone's status so they should have a right to appeal against that.
We may all agree that Theresa May is a fine and honest politician acting in the best interests on the country, but the law doesn't discriminate like that, or it shouldn't.

[Baldric]

If you seriously think like that ^^^you obviously have no loyalty to this Country and I'm wasting my time talking to you!
in the meantime
///we are mad. We use taxpayers’ cash to allow people who want to defeat us on the battlefield fight us in our courts///

[bazwillrun]

I'm really pleased my taxes are aiding scum like this

how much more of a laughing stock can this country become ?

[ichkeria]

But the court may agree with the Home Secretary that this individual should not have his citizenship restored. She may be perfectly right to withdraw it. She probably is.
But arguing that he has no right to legal aid to challenge the withdrawal of his citizenship - because he's not a British citizen - seems questionable.

[jno]

when politicians like the ambitious May get hold of arbitrary powers, I'd much prefer it if courts of law had the final judgment. And lack of funds shouldn't be a barrier to appealing to them.

[Octavius]

I suspect this is the man.

"An Afghan asylum seeker, Y1 became a British citizen in 2004, married and had a son here. In 2010 he left London for Kabul, accompanied by his second wife, also British. According to court papers Y1 was arrested by UK forces in Afghanistan in summer 2011, after visiting Pakistan’s tribal areas. He was stripped of his citizenship on terrorism grounds on the same day as his release without charge in July 2011. Y1 challenged the order, arguing it would make him stateless. However SIAC rejected the appeal."

[tonyav]

The Home Secretary cannot remove citizenship if it will make an individual stateless, so the orders can only be made against dual-nationality individuals.
( taken from gromits link ).

In that case, he claiming it will make him stateless. Can't see how he can win if he has duel nationality.

[Octavius]

That would depend on whether Afghanistan recognises the status of dual nationality. In that situation, he may be regarded as having renounced his first nationality when getting British citizenship.