This Is Much Serious Than Bongo Bongo Land, Don't You Agree?

[anotheoldgit]

While they try and lead us down the path of offensive words, this is what the real and much more serious problem is, that they try to avert our eyes from.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387338/As-Cameron-attacks-Bongo-Bongo-MEP--How-1billion-cash-used-help-Nigeria-join-space-race.html

/// Last night a spokesman for the Department for International Development said spending aid money in Nigeria would help cut crime and illegal immigration in Britain. ///

And how does he think that?

[youngmafbog]

Maybe you dont like is approach, but he has acheived his objective. It is now being discussed, even if the right-on liberals are still banging on about "bongo land", but we know why they do that dont we. If we stop giving to 'poor' countries where will they they get their feeling of slef importance from?

[Snafu03]

trouble is we approach Third World problems with First World answers - chuck a load of money at it.

given the aid money direct to 3rd world governments is like given a 10 year old kid the week shopping money and sending him down Tescos.

The aid should only be given on the premise the governments will allow 1st world assistance in ensuring it is spent on projects to allow the needy to build infrastructure and work towards a sustainable environment.

[emmie]

i don't swivel my eyes, except when the drink take me, and that ain't often these days, nor do i profess to be a loon, that's a bird don't you know. As to aid money well we have seen where some of it ends up, deep in pockets of very disturbing, disagreeable people, those like Mugabe, who seems as corrupt as it's possible to be. Whether it's 300 pounds of 300 million, why on earth are we giving them money, if it's for future oil deals, then let's trade properly, not bribe our way out of our energy troubles.

China is already acquiring land and indeed rights to future oil, so why don't we deal with them instead, they at least don't need our hard earned cash.

[ludwig]

// as far as corrupt administrations are concerned – be it Mr Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, Kim Jong Un’s North Korea, or any other tin pot crooked regime, I don’t believe they warrant respect //

I completely agree. Bloom once called Robert Mugabe a 'homicidal baboon'. Now as much as I dislike Mugabe I'd never refer to him as a baboon. It's the kind of thing a racist thug would say.

I think aside from being a clown, he's also probably just not a very nice person. Shame, because there is a serious debate to be had here, but all anyone's talking about is whether the phrase bongo bongo land is acceptable or not.

More importantly, can we start referring to this as 'Bongogate' yet? I do love a good 'gate' scandal.

[FredPuli43]

Naomi, is there not a distinction to be drawn between my being against your political stance and opinion (not that I am) and calling you ,and those who think like you, knuckle dragging or swivel eyed for thinking that way, since I am so unimaginative and quasi-literate as to use that in argument, and denigrating a whole race or nation or collection of nations as being inferior to mine? That's the distinction between 'Bongo Bongo land' and calling the BNP knuckle draggers, a description based on their views being supposedly only worthy of a primitive hominid.

[playersdigger]

Re the "Bongo Bongo" land. Surely this is a reference to jungle drums isn't it? Many black people love singing and dancing even today. So it refers to African countries in general ? I have just been forced off Yahoo Answers by Trolls and have been surprised no-one has realised it meant jungle drums.

As to the askers present question. I have several dozen scam and phishing E mails a day all pretending to be from my bank or from the FBI telling me I am in line for 22 million Dollars "compensation" even from the UK inland Revenue. Just about all have origins in Nigeria or other black states.

Britain is stupid as usual.

[naomi24]

Fred, personally I wouldn’t call anyone anything, but no, I don’t think there is a distinction to be drawn. Considering an organisation and its supporters to be inferior is no different to considering a tin-pot corrupt regime to be inferior. If we take your stance, who is to decide what is justified and what is abusive?

[FredPuli43]

Cheer up,player. The Nigerian fraudsters are all in Nigeria now. Forty years ago they, or their accomplices, were here and doing crossfire cheque frauds.

[FredPuli43]

Naomi, calling someone an idiot because their opinion is against yours is not the same as calling a whole race or country idiot for no reason other than you feel superior to them. One is specific and based on a valid or invalid reason but reason nonetheless . The other is just mindless generalisation based on race or country.

[naomi24]

Fred, the man was basing his opinion on corrupt regimes – no different to basing an opinion on what some perceive to be corrupt or bigoted organisations. The only reason you find one acceptable and the other not is because your own personal views are clouding your perspective. Principle isn’t being considered.

[ichkeria]

When someone like Godfrey Bloom (or indeed probably anyone) says Bongo Bongo Land I would bet a sizeable amount of theoretical money that they are using a term synonymous with 'Dark Johnny Foreigner Land' where everyone dances around and bangs bingo drums'. Later he and everyone else has to pretend he meant only certain Bongo Bongo Lands :-)
Meanwhile the answer to AOG's question is 'yes' of course

[FredPuli43]

Unfortunately, Naomi, when he said Bongo Bongo land, the one thing he hadn't in mind was shorthand for 'corrupt regimes in third world countries'. It would been self-explanatory without more, and he could have stopped there. What he had in mind was a, perhaps jocular, description of people who , en masse, he regarded as inferior and who, as he explained, also had leaders who misspent the money. Such an expression would play well with his audience. It doesn't play quite so well elsewhere.

[FredPuli43]

And, indeed , Naomi, ichkeria has the point in one [above]

[Spoonboy]

He thinks that because he is an idiot.

[naomi24]

Fred, of course it doesn’t – for the reasons I’ve given. Can you honestly say that these regimes warrant respect?

[FredPuli43]

Not generally no, Naomi. Nothing to do with feeling I belong to a superior race or country though.

[naomi24]

No - thought not.

[whiskeryron]

Isn't it time we stopped all this nonsense & got down to sorting out the wastage in sending money anywhere when our own country's finances desperately are in need of a good sort out THEN if there's anything left we can talk about foreign aid.

WR.

[mikey4444]

Plenty of money for everything...all we need to do is cancel the Trident replacement program. And chase rich tax avoiders of course.

[venator]

Imagine you're a corrupt Nigerian dictator.

Your people are living extreme poverty, so the nice Western nations send you money.

Are you going to help them out of poverty, so that the nice money will stop coming?

Are you *******