John Kerry Is Now Telling Us In Gruesome Detail About The Chemical Weapons Attack

[ichkeria]

Or is he just a very good liar?
So far he hasn't mentioned the issue of the vote in the UK parliament last night.

Does anyone opposed - for perfectly respectable reasons - to Britain's involvement in any response have a problem with the US and France acting oerhaps alone?

[ichkeria]

'Our oldest ally the French' says John : my how times and attitudes changed!!

[Baldric]

Is there a link to this please?

[Sqad]

John Kerry is just telling it as it is...........the vote of the UK Parliament is irrelevant to the facts of mass chemical attack.

Can't see your point at this moment.

[ichkeria]

Sorry not yet. He's just finished speaking. He said that 1429 civilians were killed, over 400 of them children. The US 'knows' that the Assad govt did it, where the attack started, where it was directed, and that they had intercepted concerns from a high-ranking regime member worrying about how they might cover up the tracks of what they had done

[bibblebub]

the French supported them in the American Revolutionary War so technically they are amongst their oldest allies

[ichkeria]

Sqad if u are addressing me I'm asking a simple question

[anneasquith]

'or is he just a very good liar ' ? what , you think hes lying about the numbers ?

[jim360]

Technically, I suppose, the French are the Americans oldest allies -- they did after all side against us in the Napoleonic Wars, when for a time it was Britain v. the world, and the French supported the Americans in their own revolutionary war and in 1812 (I think).

[Sqad]

Ich....ah! I see.

\\\Or is he just a very good liar? \\

No I do not think that he is lying.

\\\Does anyone opposed - for perfectly respectable reasons - to Britain's involvement in any response have a problem with the US and France acting oerhaps alone?\\

Yes...it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

[anneasquith]

one interesting point,he quoted Australia. turkey. france's quotes about the issue, but not Britain !

[ichkeria]

No of course I don't think he's lying - it's a hard hitting response and a tough and timely speech. And as I thought I made clear I enjoyed the barb about France. Bit of a change from Bush

[mikey4444]

Like Sqad, I'm not quite sure what you mean icheria. Of course he isn't lying. What ever we think about what must be done, the facts of the chemical attack is not disputed. It did happen.

Our Parliament have given their verdict and decided to stand by and let Assad get away with this. But others, like France and the US are taking a different stance...democracy in motion I would have thought, a concept that Assad The Butcher doesn't understand.

[anneasquith]

I wonder if DC hadnt rushed in and recalled parliament, and following john Kerry's speech tonight, if the vote would have been different on Monday, when the commons would be back from their hols ?

[naomi24]

That is their decision - a futile one in my opinion.

[ichkeria]

"I wonder if DC hadnt rushed in and recalled parliament, and following john Kerry's speech tonight, if the vote would have been different on Monday, when the commons would be back from their hols ? "

Yes I wonder too. The whole thing was badly rushed.

mikey, I'm sorry you don't understand the question: I didn't think it was all that difficult to understand, tho perhaps less easy to answer: I'm not sure of my own responsxe. The other stuff about "is John Kerry lying" etc - that was meant to be a rhetorical question but it doesn't come over too well in typed words. But a lot of people were asking for absolute proof. This is it, it would seem: unless of course you think Kerry is lying, which was my point.
I will be interested to see what the "obstructionist" Russians make of this.

[Gromit]

Cameron was the chief cheerleader that was pushing for war. The US was supposed to reluctantly join the call to partner their British ally. Unfortunately Cameron had his wings clipped so the administration have to sell it to the American public directly.

When in the summer that it was evident that the rebels were going to lose, a decission for the west to intervene on their side became inevitable. The US, British, Turkey and the French have been building up their navys and men in the region for several weeks.

When they were ready to go, by a strange coincidence, Assad used chemical weapons, therefore providing the started trigger for the war to start.

The US, France and Turkey are welcome to fight this one without us. Unfortunately, when they want the UN to go in and hold the peace, guess who will be first in the queue to send our troops?

[Peter Pedant]

Both France and Spain declared war against Britain as it then was
in the Revolutionary War 1770s

unfinished business from the Seven Years War

and Spain wasnt mentioned yet. - or should that be already ?

[sandyRoe]

There's an Irish unit of peacekeepers scheduled for security duties soon on the Israeli-Syrian border.

[ichkeria]

So Gromit you DO think John Kerry is lying then. Firstly about who carried out the attack and secondly about the US's intentions.
I don't think he is personally but that is the logical conclusion of what you are inferring. Maybe you are right. But I wouldn't bet on it :-)

[Gromit]

There is the possibility that the Government side did not use the weapons nor the rebels. Any enemy of Assad (Mossad, Turkey, numerous others) could have undertaken the chemical weapons attack, knowing that the US are itching for any excuse to go in on the rebels side.