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Not Getting All Patriotic Are We Dave?
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Better be careful Dave or you will be classed a 'Little Englander' or at the very worse assuming that we are 'Superior' to others.
/// Giving mention of Britain's fight against fascism during the 20th century and the abolition of slavery in the 19th, he said the country "has invented most of the things worth inventing, including every sport currently played around the world." ///
Oh dear Dave, have you not learnt anything from your Liberal partners, you should know that the tend these days is to cry ourselves down.
Better be careful Dave or you will be classed a 'Little Englander' or at the very worse assuming that we are 'Superior' to others.
/// Giving mention of Britain's fight against fascism during the 20th century and the abolition of slavery in the 19th, he said the country "has invented most of the things worth inventing, including every sport currently played around the world." ///
Oh dear Dave, have you not learnt anything from your Liberal partners, you should know that the tend these days is to cry ourselves down.
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It's possible (and indeed vital) to recognise your country's mistakes, but that doesn't make its successes any less important. Example: while the abolition of Slavery was important, we'd also been involved in the Slave Trade for well over one hundred years before that. While we may have fought against fascism, we tolerated its rise for far too long beforehand. While we may have invented most sports, we also never seem to take them seriously enough to be successful, at least until relatively recently. And so on.
A balance, anyway, is important. One way or another our country has been involved in the stories of most countries in the world. Very often, that involvement has brought much suffering -- and we mustn't forget that, any more than we should forget all the good things we've done for the world.
A balance, anyway, is important. One way or another our country has been involved in the stories of most countries in the world. Very often, that involvement has brought much suffering -- and we mustn't forget that, any more than we should forget all the good things we've done for the world.
One must beware when judging the past. Different beliefs held sway then, and different ones from those predominant today will hold sway in the future.
For example we may have been involved in the Slave Trade for ages but the world view during that time would have been that there was nothing wrong with it. It wasn't as if those at the time were deliberately doing what they considered wrong. If God hadn't mean the slaves to be slaves then he would have prevented it.
For example we may have been involved in the Slave Trade for ages but the world view during that time would have been that there was nothing wrong with it. It wasn't as if those at the time were deliberately doing what they considered wrong. If God hadn't mean the slaves to be slaves then he would have prevented it.
Whatever AOG, you can think of me as ashamed of being British but it's completely untrue. I just don't think we should pretend that the mistakes never happened -- nor am I a fan of some some of American "greatest country in the World" patriotism that is untrue for them, and for anyone here who might think it. It is not "crying yourself down" to be aware of your mistakes, or your limits, and the same is true of your country.
sp -- I think (hope!) that Old Geezer was expressing a view people had back then, that is that slavery was not thought of as wrong on religious grounds. for a while.
sp -- I think (hope!) that Old Geezer was expressing a view people had back then, that is that slavery was not thought of as wrong on religious grounds. for a while.
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