Michael La Vell Not Guilty

[hc4361]

Of first charge.

[sir.prize]

daffy - have you seen this?

http://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=ET8vUpEn6ZHUBYnEgaAP#q=innocent+define

[Octavius]

I think grumpy and paross are confusing themselves with kiss and tell stories that appear in the Sun (etc).

Although they do seem to have gone out of fashion lately. I wonder how Kimerbley Lee makes her money these days.

[ummmm]

Sir.P...he was found 'not guilty' he wasn't found 'innocent'

[Connemmara]

surely Ummmm - you're innocent until proven guilty!

[ummmm]

Only in law, Conne.

You know, some people have got away with murder!

[sir.prize]

What is the difference ummmm? Please educate me. The Oxford Advanced Learners' dictionary says

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/innocent_1

[emmie]

if there is reasonable doubt you have to find them not guilty, that doesn't mean to say they are.

[sir.prize]

ummmm - you say ///only in law///.

Surely that is what we are discussing here.

[Peter Pedant]

Umm you/one doesnt find people innocent

Altho when people are acquitted - the judge may say you are leaving this room without a stain on your character...

More than Le Vell I feel sorry for Hyatt - the fella that gave an alibi to the convicted murderer who oops they found didnt do it because someone else had.
He described not being able to go out of the house without thinking people were pointing and saying O there is the perjuror who gave the alibi to the sex murderer

so yeah there are innocent people who are found guilty
but just shrugging and saying O yeah this happens - and its really sh+t
is perhaps not what Joosteece is all about

[viv38]

Good links sir.prize.

[ummmm]

Reasonable doubt, Sir.p, not too hard to understand is it?

[daffy654]

I am not talking about the dictionary definition of innocent (as you well know), I am talking about the legal concept of guilty or not guilty.

[Octavius]

In UK law there is no mechanism for the jury to make any findings of actual innocence. A verdict of “not guilty” means, in every case, no more than that the prosecution authorities have failed to establish the case brought by them against an accused. It is a 'presumed' innocence, without 'actual' innocence being implied.

[viv38]

Anyway in my opinion he's not guilty/innocent (same thing) and I'm pleased for him. Gotta go and start tea now......

[ummmm]

There, Octavius has explained it.

[Zacs-Master]

Good view from up there on the moral high ground????

[emmie]

no one can know he is innocent/guilty 100 percent, that has been pointed out, the only two who know are the two involved.

[rockyracoon]

I tell you what, this thread has made me feel incredibly sad :(

[sir.prize]

Just in case you missed it daffy . . .

OK have it your way. I am more likely to be guided by an Oxford dictionary than the definition given by a daffy who teases great whites!