Stafford Doctors...no Action To Be Taken Apparently

[mikey4444]

Yet another white wash :::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24204177

[pixie373]

...hmmm. Is difficult. As they said, particular events couldn't be attributed to particular doctors. Although, I'm not entirely sure why not.

[jno]

sack the nurses, spare the consultants

[mikey4444]

From Katherine Murphy, of the Patients Association :::

""The general delay in holding individuals to account for failings at Stafford is outrageous.

"Years on, and after huge numbers of avoidable deaths, we have still only just scratched the surface of holding the nurses, clinicians and managers to account for the failings that occurred."

So, nobody is blame yet again !

[Sqad]

"Following the extensive investigations we have undertaken there is not the evidence to establish either misconduct or impairment against any of the doctors."

So what is your problem?

[pixie373]

It's ridiculous really. But there seem to be so many different staff involved in any care, that it does make it hard to point out individuals. Individuals should definitely be accountable for their actions.

[Peter Pedant]

I am surprised - the GMC usually busts a gut so that they can say - what you want Mikey: ' Look at us arent we good - we have struck off 15 responsible doctors....' ( and then.... where are our knighthoods ? )

But the doctor does have to be responsible .....

so if one for example in the frame writes ; ' God the wards are cr+p in this place - there are appears to be no letter I can write that will change things....' then you/GMC wont be able to screw him for wilful neglect of his patients....

even the GMC has to have evidence in order to strike off....


After Bristol, the GMC made management decisions made by doctors subject to GMC review - yes that is if you made a mess of canteen finances, then you could lose your medical licence to treat patients

however this led to a raft of complaints concerning the then Chief Medical Officer ( who didnt go near patients from one day to the next and pushed a pen for the govt with great gusto ) and the idea sort of went off the boil.

[jno]

the idea seems to be that nobody has any actual responsibility for anything. Except nurses.

[Sqad]

jno.........it's easy........or it was........

Nurses are/were responsible for the nursing.

Doctors are/were responsible for medical care.

I must agree with you in that now, the lines are very blurred.

[ludwig]

However, I'm sure that lessons have been learnt, staff have undergone training, and procedures have now been put in place, as is customary following these whitewa..sorry inquiries.

[AB Editor]

While it is inexcusable that some many died from simple negelct (apparently) Don't you just hate it when this happens:

//Legal advice found there was "no realistic prospect" of success//

Which means that they just couldn't make it stick, not that those named were not responsible in some way.

[Canary42]

Beveridge's motto for the NHS was "Save lives".

Cameron's is "Save money", so don't expect any effective action.

[youngmafbog]

Saving money does not equate to loss of lives, what a ridiculous statement to make.

There are bucket loads of waste in the NHS, my wife and a daughter work in it. The problem is that the waste is in the management and they refuse to sack themselves!

BTW, NHS restructuring stated under Mr Brown, a man who being a bit mean did like value for money. An excellent trait.

[Peter Pedant]

Even the AB editor doesnt understand how this branch of regulation 'works'

all you have to do is show that the doctor in question's fitness to practise is impaired - on the balance of probabilities

the hurdle is pretty low - none of the this beyond reasonable doubt denial of justice cr+p.

and they cant show this for any of the unlucky four

The Stafford Inquiry (think lots of your money) had a lawyer for the enquiry 'leading it' (same as for the Duggan Inquest - the coroner has hired a lawyer to take him thro the evidence)

and this lawyer obviously has heard all the evidence at Stafford
days and days of it - or hours and hours......

and The GMC has hired him, shown him the rule book and said can you screw any one or them all on the evidence ?

and the lawyer ( QC - think £400/hr) has stuck a pencil in his mouth

[ just think - if he could, would he lead for the GMC ? }

taken a deep breath and said..... No

If any one has £10k - they could JR the decision - any takers ?
I thought not