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Isn't This Hypocrisy At It's Very Best?
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No - it's an example of the Daily Mail desperately trying to deflect public anger away from itself.
Also, remember - the stories that Mr Gasan referred to on Question Time all happened with the last three years.
Are you saying that he should have some sort of precognition when applying for work with the pap?
Also, remember - the stories that Mr Gasan referred to on Question Time all happened with the last three years.
Are you saying that he should have some sort of precognition when applying for work with the pap?
How pathetic of the Daily Mail to share what was presumably a confidential application letter in order to try to pretend that it has the moral high ground. And of course the application was full of soft soap, that's what you do when applying for a job. "I want to work for your company because despite its questionable values I need the money," usully doesn't get you a job.
No, Paying Damien McBride £100,000 to Reveal his dorty tricks beats that.
Just because you work for an organisation (or want to work for it) does not mean you like it or respect it. If you are a journalist (or wannabe journalist) you want to work for the biggest organisations where more people will see your work. David Milliband (apparently) had a column in the Mail, and I suspect he was never a big fan either.
Just because you work for an organisation (or want to work for it) does not mean you like it or respect it. If you are a journalist (or wannabe journalist) you want to work for the biggest organisations where more people will see your work. David Milliband (apparently) had a column in the Mail, and I suspect he was never a big fan either.
Instead of letting this drop, the Daily Mail is extending the 'half life' of the story.
Once again, have a look at the best rated answers. To me, this suggests that the paper should just let it go.
Sometimes we get things wrong, and this story is an example of the Daily Mail misreading the attitudes of the public.
I remember how the paper got slammed when Jan Moir decided to write that astonishingly homophobic rant after the gay pop singer Stephen Gately died.
Then there was the 'Big Fat Quiz of the Year' debacle at the beginning of this year.
You can't always get it right. Time that the Daily Mail moved on. A newspaper should report the news, not be the news.
Once again, have a look at the best rated answers. To me, this suggests that the paper should just let it go.
Sometimes we get things wrong, and this story is an example of the Daily Mail misreading the attitudes of the public.
I remember how the paper got slammed when Jan Moir decided to write that astonishingly homophobic rant after the gay pop singer Stephen Gately died.
Then there was the 'Big Fat Quiz of the Year' debacle at the beginning of this year.
You can't always get it right. Time that the Daily Mail moved on. A newspaper should report the news, not be the news.
Do the Daily Mail not realise how damaging the Milliband incident has been for it? Or are they just going on the all publicity is good publicity rationale.
The Mail should stop trying to be the centre of attention and let the story die. Apart from anything, it is actually helping Milliband, quite the opposite of what hey are trying to achieve. There must be some really dumb people at the top to keep this carrying on. They should have printed Milliband's Right to Reply and left it at that.
The Mail should stop trying to be the centre of attention and let the story die. Apart from anything, it is actually helping Milliband, quite the opposite of what hey are trying to achieve. There must be some really dumb people at the top to keep this carrying on. They should have printed Milliband's Right to Reply and left it at that.
Sqad
Possibly he never liked the Daily Mail but he liked the idea of a well paid job with a newspaper with a big readership. Most people would suspend their dislikes for a well paid job. I have applied for jobs at organisations that I didn't much care for (didn't get any of them).
It is not unusual. Very many people working for local councils do not hold the same political views as their employers.
Possibly he never liked the Daily Mail but he liked the idea of a well paid job with a newspaper with a big readership. Most people would suspend their dislikes for a well paid job. I have applied for jobs at organisations that I didn't much care for (didn't get any of them).
It is not unusual. Very many people working for local councils do not hold the same political views as their employers.
@Sqad
"He has either changed his mind (which we all do at some time) OR he is a hypocrite"
Nonsense. Again with the false analogies. It is simply not an either/or situation. Mehdi Hasans actions could only be described as hypocritical if you could demonstrate that he bought into the Daily Mails values, that he himself indulged in the same kind of unwarranted and vicious smearing that the DM itself has indulged itself in over Miliband.
What he writes in support of an application to write for the largest media platform out there does not give any kind of ammunition to the charge of hypocrisy, just that people will often swallow all kinds of pride and crap in order to get a job.
As SP says, the DM are getting desperate in their defence of their entrenched position they have dug themselves into. They and their attitudes have become the story.
"He has either changed his mind (which we all do at some time) OR he is a hypocrite"
Nonsense. Again with the false analogies. It is simply not an either/or situation. Mehdi Hasans actions could only be described as hypocritical if you could demonstrate that he bought into the Daily Mails values, that he himself indulged in the same kind of unwarranted and vicious smearing that the DM itself has indulged itself in over Miliband.
What he writes in support of an application to write for the largest media platform out there does not give any kind of ammunition to the charge of hypocrisy, just that people will often swallow all kinds of pride and crap in order to get a job.
As SP says, the DM are getting desperate in their defence of their entrenched position they have dug themselves into. They and their attitudes have become the story.
Oh dear the usual diversionary methods put into practice once again, so as to turn one's attention from the question in hand.
This is not about the wrong doings of the paper, or the fact that David Milliband (apparently) had a column in the Mail, what it is about however is the total hypocrisy of Mehdi Hasan, just read what he said in July 2010.
From the best thing since sliced bread, to the immigrant bashing, woman hating, Muslim smearing, NHS-undermining, and gay baiting newspaper it has now become.
Has the Daily Mail altered all that much in only 3 years?
This is not about the wrong doings of the paper, or the fact that David Milliband (apparently) had a column in the Mail, what it is about however is the total hypocrisy of Mehdi Hasan, just read what he said in July 2010.
From the best thing since sliced bread, to the immigrant bashing, woman hating, Muslim smearing, NHS-undermining, and gay baiting newspaper it has now become.
Has the Daily Mail altered all that much in only 3 years?
LazyGun..........clearly we disagree.
If an applicant for one of my jobs, hated my guts, but in his application stated that he liked my approach to training, then he is a hypocrite.......surely.
\\\ just that people will often swallow all kinds of pride and crap in order to get a job. \\\\
Agreed.....but that doesn't absolve them from being called a hypocrite...............in my opinion.
If an applicant for one of my jobs, hated my guts, but in his application stated that he liked my approach to training, then he is a hypocrite.......surely.
\\\ just that people will often swallow all kinds of pride and crap in order to get a job. \\\\
Agreed.....but that doesn't absolve them from being called a hypocrite...............in my opinion.
@AoG Neither you or Sqad have demonstrated any hypocrisy beyond the usual flattering crap that people will write in an effort to get a job.
To extrapolate that Hasan buys into the values of the DM from back when he was writing a flattering letter in order to get a job and then to assert hypocrisy because of his trenchant criticisms of the paper over their egregiously stupid and viciously false allegations of a dead academic does not hold up, much as you might like it to.
To extrapolate that Hasan buys into the values of the DM from back when he was writing a flattering letter in order to get a job and then to assert hypocrisy because of his trenchant criticisms of the paper over their egregiously stupid and viciously false allegations of a dead academic does not hold up, much as you might like it to.
Not really sqad
I am sure that the Daily Mail employs hundreds of people who do not agree with the paper. My newsagent hates its politics but quite happily sells it to his customers. They are not all hypocrits they are just pragmatic.
This man needed a job. The Daily Mail were offering a job. He would be a fool not to apply for it and make a good attempt at getting it.
I am sure that the Daily Mail employs hundreds of people who do not agree with the paper. My newsagent hates its politics but quite happily sells it to his customers. They are not all hypocrits they are just pragmatic.
This man needed a job. The Daily Mail were offering a job. He would be a fool not to apply for it and make a good attempt at getting it.
AOG
You wrote:
"Oh dear the usual diversionary methods put into practice once again"
Which is ironic, seeing as that's exactly what the Daily Mail is doing by printing this story.
You also asked:
"Has the Daily Mail altered all that much in only 3 years?"
In my opinion, no it's always been a nasty bucket of hate. However, you could argue that it's refined it's hatred in the past three years. I don't recall any other time when it was so virulently anti-gay, anti-women, anti-BBC and anti-Muslim.
AOG - you're a regular reader...is it more hateful now, or about the same as when Mr Hasan applied for a job there?
If the level of bile is roughly the same, then you make a good point, and Mr Hasan is a hypocrite.
Still doesn't really deflect from the point that the paper needs to let it go.
You wrote:
"Oh dear the usual diversionary methods put into practice once again"
Which is ironic, seeing as that's exactly what the Daily Mail is doing by printing this story.
You also asked:
"Has the Daily Mail altered all that much in only 3 years?"
In my opinion, no it's always been a nasty bucket of hate. However, you could argue that it's refined it's hatred in the past three years. I don't recall any other time when it was so virulently anti-gay, anti-women, anti-BBC and anti-Muslim.
AOG - you're a regular reader...is it more hateful now, or about the same as when Mr Hasan applied for a job there?
If the level of bile is roughly the same, then you make a good point, and Mr Hasan is a hypocrite.
Still doesn't really deflect from the point that the paper needs to let it go.
Lazygun
\\\\\\@ Sqad He is only a hypocrite is you can demonstrate that he himself has done exactly what he has criticized the DM for over Miliband.\\\
This, to me, has little to do with the Daily Mail...........my definition of a hypocrite is one who professes one opinion, but believes in the opposite.
Simple concept.....for me anyway.
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\\\\\\@ Sqad He is only a hypocrite is you can demonstrate that he himself has done exactly what he has criticized the DM for over Miliband.\\\
This, to me, has little to do with the Daily Mail...........my definition of a hypocrite is one who professes one opinion, but believes in the opposite.
Simple concept.....for me anyway.
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