How Many Is Too Many?

[Eve]

Yet another young person seriously ill after taking drugs at the Warehouse Project after one death and 15 other clubbers also ending up in hospital the previous weekend, they even have their own medical team on site.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/woman-critically-ill-coma-after-6143512

I know that for many of the "type" of clubber who go to this kind of venue, drugs are a part of the whole experience but how many deaths and hospitalisations do there have to be?

A rogue batch(es) of drugs are alleged to be blamed, taking into account a number of other incidents in the local area, and nobody is forcing them to take the drugs, if this venue closed they would probably find somewhere else so what else can be done?

[ummmm]

It's not just clubbers that do it. The clubs get a bad name for it but the last time I was at Glasto a VIP died in a toilet!!!

It's a sad sorry state but you have to know your dealer and trust that your dealer is not going to cut your drugs (I don't do drugs) but I've spent enough time, in my youth, with addicts and dealers...

The chances are she bought these drugs off a dealer she'd never met and who had no care for her well being.

[Peter Pedant]

The hacienda (Fac 51) was closed eventually because they couldnt control the drugs industry.

drug shootings in the Railway Inn Newton heath over the week end they say.

[wolf63]

Peter Pedantic - have left a post for you on the White Feathers thread.

Sorry eve - I know of no solution to the problem with drug taking, there is never just a quick solution to such a complex problem.

[ummmm]

Alcohol kills more people than drugs.

[Eve]

True ummmm, maybe these kind of events attract people from father afield who then chance it with dealers at the event, I'm sure there are plenty of them!

Maybe it hasn't been more than local news either for people to know about the suspect batches of drugs circulating, though you'd have thought that word would have got round about these recent ones at the same club or warnings would have been given. Some may not be that, could be general effects of drug taking, some arrests made apparently but unless they can trace it higher up the chain it only takes a few minor players out who will soon be replaced or back to it.

Seem to be cropping up again Peter! Been some round my way of late, always seem to be some round Salford and Newton Heath doesn't surprise me, there were some in Clayton last week weren't there? Too many feuds and gang related stuff going on.

[SeaJayPea]

Legalise this kind of drug. Allow reputable manufacturers to make it and licence Boots and the like to sell it. That way, there's no adulteration, strengths remain constant and you put the people who sell these kind of materials out of business. And you put a tax and health warnings on it as well, just as you do with booze and fags.

[mikey4444]

I find it very difficult to get enervated in any way with stories about drug addicts dying or getting ill. Stupid people take drugs.

[Sqad]

mikey.......I have a certain amount of sympathy with your point of view.

"In my day"....teenagers were scared of drugs, scared of the consequences, scared of the police, of the law., their teachers, the wrath of their parents................but now......they are scared of nothing or indeed the consequences of their "bravado."

[sandyRoe]

In my day one over the eight was too many.

[ummmm]

It's not just teenagers and it's more likely people who only use recreational drugs.

[mikey4444]

Good Morning Sqad.

Drug taking doesn't seem to be only practised amongst the young and daft..."recreational" drugs seem to be enthusiastically taken by all age groups these days. It seems that some people never learn.

Perhaps our young people need to be afraid of the consequences of their actions again. But a senior Policeman recently put a case for legalising serious drugs, like heroin. While the newspapers are full of ill-judged comments like that, rather than the awful results of drug addiction, its hard to see how we are going to change matters at all.

[Sqad]

Good morning.

mikey.........before one talks about "change, one has to realise that there is a problem..........and many in the UK do not see...,drugs,teenaged pregnancy, alcohol abuse and lack of discipline as a problem.

So what is going to change?

[mikey4444]

Alas Sqad....this may be the Question of Life, which I seem to remember as being 42.

[ummmm]

Do you know how much a gram of coke is?

It's certainly not a drug for teenagers.

[Sqad]

ummmm....i was not talking about JUST cocaine.

[mikey4444]

You are right ummmmmmm...its just a drug for stupid people, with more money than sense. A pox on all drug addicts. I have no sympathy for any of them.

[ummmm]

That's the thing, Mikey, most people who take drugs are not addicts.

[mikey4444]

Not addicts ? Really ?

The Pope has suddenly stopped being Catholic then I presume !

[ummmm]

So you think someone who might have a couple of lines of coke on a Saturday night is an addict?

[Eve]

I agree with ummmm on that, there is a difference between recreational drug users and full blown addicts and it can be a vastly different "market", like cocaine use among professionals as it's commonplace in some circles or uppers and downers on the clubbing circuit. The lines can cross but there are differences between your pill popping weekend clubber or coke snorting young professional to your heroin addict.

And no, I'm not excusing either.