Stuart Hall To Lose His Obe

[mikey4444]

Wasn't sure if this was possible ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24023832

[angie55]

Not the first time. Lester Piggott lost his OBE after his tax evasion case.

[hc4361]

Here's a list of all those stripped of their OBE's and other honours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revocations_of_appointments_to_orders_and_awarded_decorations_and_medals_of_the_United_Kingdom#Order_of_the_British_Empire

[aelmpvw]

i believe lester piggott was stripped of his for far less serious crimes

[FredPuli43]

It is and always was. The curiosity is that Lord Archer is still a peer. That's because it requires an Act of Attainder or some such to remove him from the peerage. That dates back to the days when there weren't life peers and only peers could decide who should remain in their number, and the monarch's powers were restricted. Indeed , from memory, even the King did not remove the title itself; he only removed the lord's lands and/or his life,even when the King had his greatest power.

[mikey4444]

Thanks everybody...I have learned something here today !

[Peter Pedant]

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Yeah Mikey I think there was a change of rules - just to make things clear.

Altho I think le petomane's gong (given my Edw VII as P of W and drunk) was claimed back by the British Consul later

There was a lot of discussion about Anthony Blunts knighthood after he had been unmasked as a Russian spy. Denning in the seventies took the view that some of these were like an arrow being shot - and so couldn't be recalled - but now I think the honours are conferred on sufferance (of good behaviour).

There is a similar thing with some degrees - if you dont pay your yearly moolah you cant write the degree after you name . But they had to change the system and so the older generation could keep using their degrees without paying - obviously they would all eventually die.....

[Peter Pedant]

blimey one my relations is on the List of Shame !

Naughty naughty boy !

[mikey4444]

Which one PP ? ...come on..we are all dying to know !

Not really...just kidding.

[Sqad]

Does one have to send it back in a envelope (registered of course) OR doe someone from the palace call round to pick it up?

[2sp_]

Queenie sends the bailiffs round, sqad.

[Sqad]

sp...right...LOL

[jno]

It was probably Baron Pierre be Pédaunce, attainted for schmoozing the queen while the king was embroiled in the wars of the roses... he was stripped of benefices, borhs, drincleans and gafollands.

[jno]

mikey, I think everything can be hauled back except peerages. Intersting that this sometimes seems to be done because of subsequent bad behaviour (Piggott) and some for earlier behaviour they didn't know about (Hall)

[Peter Pedant]

It all started or re-started when Edw VIII paid for advice from a famous lawyer called Jowett about whether his Brudda George VI cd name him a Duke and not en-noble his wife - notorious Yank Wallis Simpson.

Jowett said once one abdicated, you went back to being whatever you were before - in this case Duke of Cornwall and Prince of the Realm and as such, one's wife was a Princess - [simples. 25/- please]

and so one can imagine that when Jowett became Lord Chancellor in 1952 there was a knock on the door and a dring-dring on the blower ......
and he gave another (dissentient) opinion that the King or Queen was the font of all honours and really if his or her Maj said.......

[anneasquith]

not much good to him in prison anyway is it ?

[andy-hughes]

The list is interesting - everything from dangerous driving to sexual assault - but the majority are for fraud, which the establishment takes far more seriously than damage to individuals.

I still don't see how Lord Archer retained his peerage after his nonsense - friends in high places perhaps? Or does he know where the bodies are buried.

Speaking of which, John Prescott was enobled after his dodgy behaviour came to light, so the system does not appear to follow any code of conduct.

[jno]

andy, a peerage is for life, not just for Christmas. There's virtually no way you can lose it; the queen can't just take it away again, unlike other honours.

[andy-hughes]

jno - I am sure that if 'they' wanted the rules changed, the rules would be changed!

[jno]

but it comes down to who "they" are in this instance. Presumably to change the rules you'd have to get a whole new law passed, and people would wonder if something that was purely aimed at Jeffrey Archer wasn't a waste of parliamentary time.

There may be some obscure law still on the books that requires him to prove his honour on the field of battle against the king's champion... I'd pay to watch that.

[ludwig]

// people would wonder if something that was purely aimed at Jeffrey Archer wasn't a waste of parliamentary time. //

It wouldn't be though. It would be bringing the peerage in line with the way other hours are dealt with.
Having said that, even it it was purely aimed at Archer, I'd still argue it was a good use of parliamentary time.