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What Could Be The Motive For This Savage Attack?
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What a horrible cowardly attack upon such a seemingly nice chap, who was so looking forward to starting his new job as an IT consultant.
My heart goes out to his obviously devastated family, and I hope his killer or killers will soon be apprehended. RIP.
What a horrible cowardly attack upon such a seemingly nice chap, who was so looking forward to starting his new job as an IT consultant.
My heart goes out to his obviously devastated family, and I hope his killer or killers will soon be apprehended. RIP.
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This is a terrible tragedy.
The circumstances suggest that the killer may have been known to this man - and that will certainly increase the chances of a swift arrest.
As to a motive, hopefully that will also come to light in due course, but if, as is entirely possible, this was a motiveless attack, then that is just what it was.
There is often no point in using rational logic to explore crimes like this - there is often no rational logical reason, because murder is not the action of a rational logical mind.
That in no way lessens the tragedy and loss, and I join with AOG in thinking about the family and friends of the victim who are left bereft today.
The circumstances suggest that the killer may have been known to this man - and that will certainly increase the chances of a swift arrest.
As to a motive, hopefully that will also come to light in due course, but if, as is entirely possible, this was a motiveless attack, then that is just what it was.
There is often no point in using rational logic to explore crimes like this - there is often no rational logical reason, because murder is not the action of a rational logical mind.
That in no way lessens the tragedy and loss, and I join with AOG in thinking about the family and friends of the victim who are left bereft today.
andy-hughes
Thank you for your expressing your sentiments Andy.
But I disagree that this may be a motiveless attack, 'because murder is not the action of a rational logical mind'.
There are very few murders that take place without some form of a motive.
If there was such a disarranged person who would knife a person in his own car, without any reason at all, surely that type of person would strike again and again?
Thank you for your expressing your sentiments Andy.
But I disagree that this may be a motiveless attack, 'because murder is not the action of a rational logical mind'.
There are very few murders that take place without some form of a motive.
If there was such a disarranged person who would knife a person in his own car, without any reason at all, surely that type of person would strike again and again?
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "motive", really. A fair number of attacks or crimes are essentially random, but based on the "motive" of how the criminal was feeling at the time. There's nothing to say whether or not they would feel the same way again in future, but people who are so unstable are unlikely only to be so just the one time.
It could be that this was just a random act of violence with the motive "because I felt like it" on a victim who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is both more likely, and also far more scary.
It could be that this was just a random act of violence with the motive "because I felt like it" on a victim who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is both more likely, and also far more scary.
AOG - "There are very few murders that take place without some form of a motive."
That is true, but that does not negate my statement.
I am not confusing an irrational act with a spontaneous act.
Even if a muder is plotted and planned, that does not make it a rational act, which is the point I was making.
The jelous individual who plans and murders an unfaithful spouse is still not thinking or acting in a rational manner.
"If there was such a disarranged person who would knife a person in his own car, without any reason at all, surely that type of person would strike again and again?"
Possibly, but that does not always follow. Someone under the influence of drink and / or drugs may murder a stranger and not even remember doing it - and would not do so again.
As our debate unfolds, it becomes clear that it is hard to argue such behaviour from a detached ractional point of view, which again underlines my point - muder is not the act of a rational mind.
That is true, but that does not negate my statement.
I am not confusing an irrational act with a spontaneous act.
Even if a muder is plotted and planned, that does not make it a rational act, which is the point I was making.
The jelous individual who plans and murders an unfaithful spouse is still not thinking or acting in a rational manner.
"If there was such a disarranged person who would knife a person in his own car, without any reason at all, surely that type of person would strike again and again?"
Possibly, but that does not always follow. Someone under the influence of drink and / or drugs may murder a stranger and not even remember doing it - and would not do so again.
As our debate unfolds, it becomes clear that it is hard to argue such behaviour from a detached ractional point of view, which again underlines my point - muder is not the act of a rational mind.
All murders, by definition, have the same intents viz to inflict grievous bodily harm on the victim or to kill the victim. Very few are premeditated, planned, but those that are make far better news stories than the rest. That minority of murders is of the ones that have clear motive rather than just the intents which define murder. They fall into two categories: the ones where the killer does not expect to be caught and the ones where the killer doesn't care about being caught, commonly committing suicide afterwards.
FredPuli43
/// All murders, by definition, have the same intents viz to inflict grievous bodily harm on the victim or to kill the victim. ///
No one is denying that.
/// Very few are premeditated, planned, but those that are make far better news stories than the rest. ///
Perhaps so, but to get to the motives.
/// That minority of murders is of the ones that have clear motive rather than just the intents which define murder. ///
There I must disagree ie revenge, robbery, jealously, racial, financial gain, etc. the vast majority of all murders take place for those reasons.
/// They fall into two categories: the ones where the killer does not expect to be caught and the ones where the killer doesn't care about being caught, commonly committing suicide afterwards. ///
But surely there are three what about the killer who fears about being caught, but still doesn't address the motive issue.
But to pick you up on your last point, if the killer doesn't care about being caught, why would they commit suicide?
/// All murders, by definition, have the same intents viz to inflict grievous bodily harm on the victim or to kill the victim. ///
No one is denying that.
/// Very few are premeditated, planned, but those that are make far better news stories than the rest. ///
Perhaps so, but to get to the motives.
/// That minority of murders is of the ones that have clear motive rather than just the intents which define murder. ///
There I must disagree ie revenge, robbery, jealously, racial, financial gain, etc. the vast majority of all murders take place for those reasons.
/// They fall into two categories: the ones where the killer does not expect to be caught and the ones where the killer doesn't care about being caught, commonly committing suicide afterwards. ///
But surely there are three what about the killer who fears about being caught, but still doesn't address the motive issue.
But to pick you up on your last point, if the killer doesn't care about being caught, why would they commit suicide?
andy-hughes
/// I would entirely agree, but I still don't see how my posts deny that. ///
At least we agree on the matter of there being some form of motive, perhaps my confusion came from the following remark made by yourself, ie "motiveless attack?
/// but if, as is entirely possible, this was a motiveless attack, then that is just what it was. ///
Then it got sidelined by your other statements bringing into the debate 'non motive' issues such as these, "irrational acts and spontaneous acts".
/// I am not confusing an irrational act with a spontaneous act. ///
/// Even if a muder is plotted and planned, that does not make it a rational act, which is the point I was making ///
/// I would entirely agree, but I still don't see how my posts deny that. ///
At least we agree on the matter of there being some form of motive, perhaps my confusion came from the following remark made by yourself, ie "motiveless attack?
/// but if, as is entirely possible, this was a motiveless attack, then that is just what it was. ///
Then it got sidelined by your other statements bringing into the debate 'non motive' issues such as these, "irrational acts and spontaneous acts".
/// I am not confusing an irrational act with a spontaneous act. ///
/// Even if a muder is plotted and planned, that does not make it a rational act, which is the point I was making ///
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// Even if a muder is plotted and planned, that does not make it a rational act, which is the point I was making. //
I think that's nonsense andy. It's tantamount to excusing all murder on the grounds of insanity.
If someone plans to expose your crime syndicate to the police and you decide to have him killed rather than go to jail, that's perfectly rational. It's not very nice, in fact it's bloody evil, but it's certainly rational.
Same applies to the person doing the actual killing for money. Cold, calculating, immoral, but not irrational.
I think that's nonsense andy. It's tantamount to excusing all murder on the grounds of insanity.
If someone plans to expose your crime syndicate to the police and you decide to have him killed rather than go to jail, that's perfectly rational. It's not very nice, in fact it's bloody evil, but it's certainly rational.
Same applies to the person doing the actual killing for money. Cold, calculating, immoral, but not irrational.
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