The Eu Demand Release Dates...give Them Release Dates..

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25574176
I've always admired the way the US system ignores human longevity in sentencing. It seems an unexpected side effect of EU meddling that we now are looking at introducing a similar system.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25574176 - Good idea?

[ToraToraTora]

Those I call anti British, LG, are those that demonstrate that trait, they label themselves.

[jim360]

Not sure it's your place to judge, really. Well, you're entitled to have an opinion, but I don't I agree with what you and others seem to base that opinion on.

[OILhead]

T3 - how do you define being pro British in order that you are able to judge when people are being anti?

[ToraToraTora]

always siding with our enemies, always exentuating the negative. you get the picture.

[New Judge]

Yes, on reflection you're quite right, LG.

Perhaps I should have said "main aim" instead of "sole aim". I'm sure there's lots of other things the armies of busybodies are occupying themselves with apart from their attempts to weld Europe into one giant homogenous blob.

As for my paranoia, time will tell. Early indications will be available when it is decided whether or not prisoners are granted the vote (a notion that makes Mr Cameron “physically sick”) and whether or not the idea of “whole life” sentences (whether they are termed “life” or “100 years”) continue to be outlawed by the ECHR (an idea with which Mr Cameron “profoundly disagrees“).

We’ll soon have an indication of who makes UK law (as if one were needed) and whether my musings verge on paranoia.

[bazwillrun]

@brionon

"An outside organisation set up with British Lawyers-try to get it right !! "

so youre saying its a british orgnisation then ?

[bazwillrun]

"We’ll soon have an indication of who makes UK law (as if one were needed) and whether my musings verge on paranoia. "

we already know the answers to both of those musings NJ....

my "paranoia" on the subject is being proven more correct with each passing day, as it has regarding the eussr and our involvement since i first realised what the eussr was realy about, not about buying fruit and veg off each other.
thats for sure
i've yet to be wrong on anything where either of these dictatorial bodies is concerned and how every day they rip another piece of our ability to govern ouselves away from us

[jim360]

Since when is the EU our enemy, though? Granted it's not exactly John Bull incarnate but then if the main aim is to make Europe a "homogeneous blob" -- which it sort of is, really -- then that's surely anti- every single country in Europe rather than the UK in particular.

[ToraToraTora]

That's what the Liberal elite where saying about Hitler in the early 30s jim.

[New Judge]

Yes and also bear in mind that it was set up in the immediate wake of WW2. Its entirely laudable aim was to prevent atrocities by over-zealous states and in particular to lessen the likelihood of genocide and crimes against humanity which were a regrettable feature of that conflict.

I don’t lump denying prisoners the vote or sentencing them to be imprisoned for the rest of their lives for the most serious of crimes in with the Holocaust.

[New Judge]

My remarks ^^^ apply to the ECHR, not the EU.

[jim360]

The liberal elite, and just about everyone else.

THE EU is not comparable either to Hitler or to the USSR, and the sooner you and baz and others start realising that the sooner you might start to be taken more seriously. Wrapping up genuine concerns about too much bureaucracy, power switching away from the people and all of that in some sort of paranoia about "everyone hates Britain" and comparisons to former regimes that enforced their will through torture, gulags and mass genocide is not a smart move.

[ToraToraTora]

The EU enforce their will using different methods jim but the aim is the same and they are achieving it with the help of well meaning beauracrats and star crossed devotees. The end result will be just as tyrannical.

[bazwillrun]

jim, can you really not see what the eussr is all about and what its aims are...are you really that blinkered as to whats going on

and yes you can compare it to hitler, just different methods, but basically its the same end result, its just this invasion is not by tanks and bombs....yet

who knows what could happen years down the line if they cant get what they want...and never say never

have you not seen how they dish out threats if they dont get what they want, ireland was threatened , and they were told to keep on voting until they got the required yes vote

dont you see, the eussr will stop at nothing until they crush the current power that runs and rules this country, dont you see why they are so happy about mass immigration to this country... i really believe you dont

if you want to know the future then look to the past

the larger their empire becomes then the more dictatorial it will get..you aint seen nothing yet

what , you think there wont be groups in time who wont want their countrys back, their history their culture, identity , individuality etc etc and wont take up arms and resort to terrorism..thats what nearly always happens and always will

empires are like sand castles, they crumble and die one way or another, best we save a lot of trouble and dont get involved with this one

same ideas just a different time in history and a different bunch of megalomaniacs, but still the same, power power power, and the only way to keep that power is to keep the masses under the thumb one way or another

as to being taken seriously, i really couldnt give a toss what people on here think about me or what i say, i'm certainly not going to change for this board or anybody on it, I dont come on here to win votes in a popularity contest

[FredPuli43]

Baz, do you not think that the "eussr" is set upon crushing every member state,or just some of them, or do you think it is the UK alone?

[bazwillrun]

once it has all the nations that it can get it will then start destroying whats left of their individuality bit by bit until theres nothing but a mass of "europeans" all dancing to their tune

they want us desperately, always have always will , you think theyd rather have greece for example than the uk ?

[FredPuli43]

Back to the OP, it is probably correct that a life sentence, taken literally, was formerly prohibited here. After all, the principles of European Human Rights were taken from English common law and equity. We had the death penalty in the past, including the C16, and while we had it, it was surely unknown for a life sentence to be intended to be for life. A look over some murder cases in the C19 and C20 where the accused had the death sentence commuted to life, does not show any where the person did not get released after some years.

But what is wrong with the idea that a lifer should be able to have a parole hearing after 15 ,25 or more years of the minimum term? Someone like Bamber is not going to get parole, however many years he serves. He is clearly a menace, a psychopathic type , who would kill whenever he saw an advantage to himself. Others are equally a risk.

[New Judge]

"But what is wrong with the idea that a lifer should be able to have a parole hearing after 15 ,25 or more years of the minimum term?"

What's wrong, Fred, is the same thing that is wrong with a fixed term sentence of, say, five years being reduced, without reference to the sentencer, to 30 months (minus, as well currently, up to 18 weeks under Home Detention Curfew). So five years becomes a little over two. Ludicrous.

So it is with "Life" sentences. Call them something else, by all means, but don't con people into thinking someone committing murder will be locked up for the rest of their life.

By the way, Jim, I hope you did not misunderstand me but my reference to WW2 had nothing to do with comparing the EU to Hitler. It was simply to put into context how the European Convention on Human Rights originated and how it has since been distorted into the abject mess it is today.

[FredPuli43]

NJ, have you ever come across a case of life meaning life, apart from cases where the prisoner has died prematurely? There have been one or two, but they were never the norm even 80 years ago. I found one of a man, whose sentence was commuted , who served only ten years, and that was about 1930. The present system of minimum terms is an improvement on what we had. At least we start at 15 years minimum before parole, more in more serious cases. (I exclude a soldier who shoots dead a prisoner, but even then the court said it started at 16).

If the public does think that life means life, or ever did, then they are more innocent than I ever believed ! I don't think they do, or did. I don't see any valid comparison between murder sentences and the others you refer to, anyway

[FredPuli43]

"started at 15" ^