Words That Apparently Have Come Back To Haunt Us.

[anotheoldgit]

/// ‘The indigenous population found themselves made strangers in their own country, their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition.’ ///

A recent statement made by someone who agrees that mass immigration on the scale that we have witnessed it in this country creates many problem?

No, it was part of Enoch Powell's controversial speech 1968 "Rivers of Blood"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534353/Basic-principle-Enochs-Rivers-Blood-speech-right-says-Nigel-Farage.html

[LazyGun]

@Emmie Yes, it was picked up. Enoch was demonstrating his erudition, but the meaning of the mistranslation was more or less the same as the original.

@Sandy - Yes, I believe it was claimed that he made that story up. More than one journalist tried to track down the source of the story and signally failed to do so.

[emmie]

whatever he said, some has come to pass, whether we will have rivers of blood remains to be seen

[human_form]

well we have already had riots across the country over the years, so that part is also correct

[jno]

Powell was I believe the man who began the process of inviting Caribbean immigrants to Britain, when he was health minister and needing people to man the NHS. The need has not gone away.

I am struggling to think of any black men who have the whip hand over me - apart from Obama, of course.

[Zeuhl]

/riots across the country over the years/

Well 2 or 3 in a few cities for a couple of nights

Hardly the Blitz is it?

[trt]

## On what evidence today can you demonstrate that the black man has the whip hand over the white man? ##

In many Towns and City's in the UK !

[trt]

## Hardly the Blitz is it? ##

If you lived where the riots were, people said it was!

[jno]

people said it was!

People who knew nothing about the Blitz, I suspect.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Liverpool_Blitz_D_5984.jpg

[Zeuhl]

/In many Towns and City's in the UK ! /

trt seems to not understand the meaning of the word 'evidence' LOL

[FredPuli43]

Don't know Classics? 'Achilles heel', 'Trojan (horse)', 'crossing the Rubicon', the Fates are against us', 'Siren call', 'Herculean task'/effort, 'narcissism', Qedipus complex'.. mercurial', platonic', nemesis, mentor, stentorian, , 'Midas touch', Spartan (life). 'a Pandora's box', aphrodisiac, even 'between Scylla and Charybdis' gets used sometimes.

Those are all words or phrases from the Classics. We use them but , probably, few know the stories or the characters to which they refer. 'Rivers of blood', albeit a precis to make a a catchy phrase, now belongs with them.

[Peter Pedant]

Having done obstetrics at that time well 1978
we didnt turn anyone away if they were having a baby.
Northwick Park.

In terms of unable to secure school places - was he (EP) challenged on that ?
unable to secure the place at the school they want... perhaps

same now - who wants to send their children to sink-schools ?


AOG if he really is an OAP - will recollect sink-schools in his childhood and might have noticed they remain sink-schools now - after fifty years.
Even tho they have had plenty of time to change.

so why is this ? and why hasnt someone done summit about it.... ?

[Peter Pedant]

Fred at the time - being er a Latinist - people didnt place the allusion to Rivers of Blood. a prophecy not fulfilled by the way -

I see the Tiber foaming with blood....

from Virgil's Aeneid I think - Powell was a Prof of Classics at age 26. Quite a feat when he was doing it as we all had to have Latin O level to get to uni. Powell joined up as a private and rose to Brigadier in the War - and was noted to be an auncient linguist (Latin and Greek) so they sent him to Cairo of course.....
where apparently he settled down and learnt Arabic - altho I never heard him speak the language. Intellectually able but terrible poolitician. His grasp of economics was crap.....

[Peter Pedant]

Chewn I think you are absolutely right -

he made the speech in the run up to an election and then
advised people (as a Tory) to think twice about voting Edward heath who then lost the election - [heath thought because]

He was then invited by de Oirish to be unionist MP for... South Down.
which he settled into for ten or fifteen years.

O those were the days - how I miss them
instead nowadays we get people like Farage.

[emmie]

to equate the riots to the onslaught that was the blitz is absurd.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/blitz.htm

[emmie]

and it wasn't Powell according to the link who said holding the whip hand.
anyway that was then and this is now. Time only will tell if he was right.

[LazyGun]

@Emmie "and it wasn't Powell according to the link who said holding the whip hand.
anyway that was then and this is now. Time only will tell if he was righ"

He it was who "recounted" a "story told to him by a constituent" that in 15-20 years it would be the black man who had the whip hand over the white". So -it was Powell who said it in his speech, and he clearly was sympathetic to that view, based upon what else he said in his speech.

And time has already told. His Cassandra- like prophecy has not come to pass. He was as wrong about that as he was about much else.

[emmie]

if he recounted others words that was then, and we ain't done yet, this is 2014, rolling into more and more people entering UK, the tide isn't going to slow down, and as i pointed out much of this change has happened in the last 50 years or so, massive changes to the way we lived then, and now, perhaps that is to be expected, with technological advances, but population increases and a different religion coming up the charts, second only to Christianity, for now. time will tell, the politicians have been trying to make a one size fits all country, which doesn't really work.
Tolerate your neighbour but hardly know them, unless you live in a sleepy backwater, and perhaps not even then.