Parenting Islamic Style....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25708023
Now I confess I haven't read the Koran but I'd be surprised if it said, words to the effect, "thou shalt strap a bomb to thy sisters/daughters back and force her to blow up the infidel in the name of Allah".

[Zeuhl]

Typical right wing, anti-insurgency, biased reporting from the pro-establishment BBC

;-)

[mikey4444]

Dreadful story. I heard her on the Today program this morning. But I wouldn't have thought it was in the Koran though.

[Zeuhl]

Are vests a required item under the Burqa?

An ex-nurse friend who used to work in The Princess Grace Hospital tells me they actually concealed all manner of designer clobber and racy lingeree

[ToraToraTora]

So are you saying this is not true then zeuhl?

[naomi24]

The Koran was invented before bombs, so no mention of that particular method of slaughter – but the stalls in some eastern markets do a thriving trade in gaudy underwear – tassels and all. ;o)

[LazyGun]

I think anyone who attempts to coerce, intimidate or encourage others to wear suicide vests are vile human beings. Cowards too.

It is bad enough when you persuade/coerce/intimidate an adult into wearing such devices, but it becomes much much worse when you use children.

How anyone can condone this kind of behaviour, or claim a mandate from god from doing such a thing is a delusional zealot, and evidently both cowardly and self-obsessed, otherwise they would strap the bomb on themselves.

Assuming what this girl says is broadly true, I would hope she able to find a better quality of life, away from odious abusers that her family appear to be.

[pixie373]

...i assume they are charged as attempted murderers (haven't read the link yet)

[Zeuhl]

/So are you saying this is not true then zeuhl? /

Far from it T3

I'm just pleased you found a useful and balanced news item on the website of such a 'liberal left wing biased' news organisation

;-)

[naomi24]

//Assuming what this girl says is broadly true...//

She didn't make the vest at Brownies, that's for sure.

[mushroom25]

the Koran doesn't proscribe bomb vests, but it does encourage giving of your life in the struggle against the infidel in several verses - one example is:-

Qur'an (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."

[naomi24]

//That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah...//

....and interestingly the word Jihad means to strive or to struggle.

[jake-the-peg]

A bit like this sort of parenting

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536545/Schoolboy-14-hailed-hero-sacrificing-life-save-classmates-Pakistan-suicide-bomber.html

Been waiting for someone to bring up this child's actions on the News thread but I must have missed it

[FredPuli43]

No, jake, we are only interested in the bad Muslims and if they are deluded zealots, so much the better to stand for the whole religion. Which, of course, they do. Did you know that their holy books tell them to kill all non-Muslims? I am sure I read it on AB, so it must be true.

[mushroom25]

//Did you know that their holy books tell them to kill all non-Muslims?//

the particular verse in the Koran, 9.5, is often misinterpreted - it doesn't say "kill infidels", but to kill idolators, which isn't the same thing. nevertheless the sayings of Mohammed, or hadiths, do prescribe the killing of non-believers, and hadiths are considered by the devout to be as good as the word of allah.

[Ric.ror]

Well I for one would welcome her if she was to be brought over her to live

[FredPuli43]

Except that the Koran passage 9,5 excludes those non-Muslims (termed polytheists in some translations) who have made treaties with the Muslims, and provides protection for those who have come into Muslim territory (the idea in the latter case being that gives the Muslims a chance to convert them), yes, 9,5, could be construed as arguing for the death of polytheists !

But context is everything , isn't it ? At the time, the Muslims had conquered a very large area of Arabia, and were expanding their territory. A carrot and stick approach; make treaties or get war and be killed; was what the Ancient Romans used, and the British used in India. It would certainly suit Mohammed and his followers to have that made clear to believers and non-believers alike.

For a long article : http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm

[petal54]

I see that this girl's face is 'blurred',but her face has been seen already

[emmie]

if true who would hand her back to the guardians,

[naomi24]

Jake, why didn't you bring it up in the News section?

Fred, //No, jake, we are only interested in the bad Muslims and if they are deluded zealots,//

Not true. Type ‘Malala’ into the search box. Credit is given where credit is due - but likewise criticism is given where that is due.