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Social Media Backlash Against Russia
I notice there are a lot of 'boycott the Winter Olympics' and protest posts against the Russian attitude towards the LGBT community; and quite rightly so.
Also we have seen a lot on the TV and in the press covering this topic ahead of the winter Olympics.
I wonder if this will be repeated for the World Cup in Qatar in 4 years time to protest against the Islamic communities attitudes to homosexuality - or maybe even closer to home?
Are people afraid to criticize Islamic attitudes for fear of being branded racist?
Also we have seen a lot on the TV and in the press covering this topic ahead of the winter Olympics.
I wonder if this will be repeated for the World Cup in Qatar in 4 years time to protest against the Islamic communities attitudes to homosexuality - or maybe even closer to home?
Are people afraid to criticize Islamic attitudes for fear of being branded racist?
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Khandro
Yes...unfortunately, it still seems like gibberish.
"The fact alone that hundreds of homosexual priests have recently been excommunicate for assaults on boys"
Evidence please. And at the same time, please provide numbers of care home workers who have been charged with assaulting young girls. I mean, if you're going to choose one demographic, you may as we'll go for another balancing one, otherwise your numbers are skewed.
You also wrote:
"All this from a tiny cohort of priests within the small, 3% cohort of the homosexual population."
Terrible...just terrible.
If this is is from a tiny cohort of priests, then what your 'stats' probe is that attacks on boys from adult males are concentrated on a tiny fraction of gay men, right?
Just like heterosexual attacks.
Think about it!
Yes...unfortunately, it still seems like gibberish.
"The fact alone that hundreds of homosexual priests have recently been excommunicate for assaults on boys"
Evidence please. And at the same time, please provide numbers of care home workers who have been charged with assaulting young girls. I mean, if you're going to choose one demographic, you may as we'll go for another balancing one, otherwise your numbers are skewed.
You also wrote:
"All this from a tiny cohort of priests within the small, 3% cohort of the homosexual population."
Terrible...just terrible.
If this is is from a tiny cohort of priests, then what your 'stats' probe is that attacks on boys from adult males are concentrated on a tiny fraction of gay men, right?
Just like heterosexual attacks.
Think about it!
Khandro
"I do not speak of 'child molestation' in general, but specifically of predatory male homosexuals attacking and abusing young boys."
Please supply some figures.
In order to justify your assertions, you need to dig out the number of attacks on males under 16 in the UK (or worldwide if you have the time), by men over 16. You will also have to prove that these males over 16 are actually gay (remember, that scene from 'Scum'?)
Okay...once you have that figure, you will need to make a quick calculation on the number of gay men in the UK. However. You need to ensure that each attack was carried out by a different man. If one man carries out five attacks, then your figures need to be adjusted accordingly, because they will represent one gay man, not five.
Finally, you will have a figure of attacks proportionally per head of gay men in the UK.
Then, you'll have to do the same for heterosexual attacks on young girls.
Good luck with that...I know I certainly wouldn't have the time or indeed the maths skills to get these figures.
And to be honest, I'm not sure what they would prove.
But fill yer boots, and good luck.
"I do not speak of 'child molestation' in general, but specifically of predatory male homosexuals attacking and abusing young boys."
Please supply some figures.
In order to justify your assertions, you need to dig out the number of attacks on males under 16 in the UK (or worldwide if you have the time), by men over 16. You will also have to prove that these males over 16 are actually gay (remember, that scene from 'Scum'?)
Okay...once you have that figure, you will need to make a quick calculation on the number of gay men in the UK. However. You need to ensure that each attack was carried out by a different man. If one man carries out five attacks, then your figures need to be adjusted accordingly, because they will represent one gay man, not five.
Finally, you will have a figure of attacks proportionally per head of gay men in the UK.
Then, you'll have to do the same for heterosexual attacks on young girls.
Good luck with that...I know I certainly wouldn't have the time or indeed the maths skills to get these figures.
And to be honest, I'm not sure what they would prove.
But fill yer boots, and good luck.
sp1814
/jomifi
I think that paedophile overrides all. /
Could you please take a little time out from your ongoing discussion with Khandro to explain what you meant by the above statement? Did you mean that it is qualitatively so different that it should not be considered as in the same class of sexual proclivity as the other kinds in the above list?
jomifl
No - I mean that if you're a pedophile, that overrides everything else.
Heterosexuals are interested of adult member of the opposite sex.
Homosexuals are interested in adult members of the same sex.
Bisexuals are interested in adult members of either sex.
Paedophiles are interested in children.
No - I mean that if you're a pedophile, that overrides everything else.
Heterosexuals are interested of adult member of the opposite sex.
Homosexuals are interested in adult members of the same sex.
Bisexuals are interested in adult members of either sex.
Paedophiles are interested in children.
Sp, that might depend on whether the paedophile was interested in boys or girls. I have to admit that I know next to nothing about whether or not paedophiles have gender preferences. Some societies have no problems with having sex with children, I don't think it is an absolute value but a moral judgement.
I have consulted the professional mathematicians on AB and this is my findings in answer to LG's statement 10:14 Sun.09 (and elsewhere) That I offer a "biased and non-evidenced claim that homosexuality is linked to paedophilia in a way that heterosexuality is not". I have in fact only talked about male homosexuality, but as assaults by female homosexuals on the young is extremely rare it doesn't really effect the statistics.
It is generally estimated that homosexuals comprise 3% of the world population. Of these less than 2% might be male, but let us say 2% to aid the maths.
It is a fact that recently 400 priests were sacked by Pope Benedict for homosexual assaults on young boys, the purge continues under Pope Francis, the numbers are unknown but let us add 100. So we have 500 priests alone. If we add all the teachers and orphanage workers, plus scout leaders and all the rest having been convicted of assaults through the courts just in the UK, we have definite number of at least say 600 male homosexuals having made assaults, let us say that this group is just 0.01% of the 2% (overall number of male homosexuals), - this is I maintain a massive underestimation of the actual figures because I am not even starting to add the amount of assaults taking place throughout the rest of the lay world, but in consideration the UK figures the amount must be staggeringly high. I am guessing here, but if each of these predators had carried out 5 assaults that would mean that we 'know' of 3,500 sexual assaults carried out by male homosexuals on young boys, and given that this is out of a cohort of only 0.01% of 2% of the world population.
If we extrapolate this into the world population of 7 billion we would have a figure of 6,860,000 attacks being carried out by male heterosexuals against female children, and remember this is an extremely modest estimate, so the real figure would be much higher. As there are so few such cases brought before the courts, (when the few that do appear they sadly are horrifyingly severe, usually ending in murder) the case that male homosexuality and paedophilia are linked is clearly demonstrated beyond doubt by these figures which you are invited to refute.
It is generally estimated that homosexuals comprise 3% of the world population. Of these less than 2% might be male, but let us say 2% to aid the maths.
It is a fact that recently 400 priests were sacked by Pope Benedict for homosexual assaults on young boys, the purge continues under Pope Francis, the numbers are unknown but let us add 100. So we have 500 priests alone. If we add all the teachers and orphanage workers, plus scout leaders and all the rest having been convicted of assaults through the courts just in the UK, we have definite number of at least say 600 male homosexuals having made assaults, let us say that this group is just 0.01% of the 2% (overall number of male homosexuals), - this is I maintain a massive underestimation of the actual figures because I am not even starting to add the amount of assaults taking place throughout the rest of the lay world, but in consideration the UK figures the amount must be staggeringly high. I am guessing here, but if each of these predators had carried out 5 assaults that would mean that we 'know' of 3,500 sexual assaults carried out by male homosexuals on young boys, and given that this is out of a cohort of only 0.01% of 2% of the world population.
If we extrapolate this into the world population of 7 billion we would have a figure of 6,860,000 attacks being carried out by male heterosexuals against female children, and remember this is an extremely modest estimate, so the real figure would be much higher. As there are so few such cases brought before the courts, (when the few that do appear they sadly are horrifyingly severe, usually ending in murder) the case that male homosexuality and paedophilia are linked is clearly demonstrated beyond doubt by these figures which you are invited to refute.
Khandro, whilst your attempt to apply some mathematical rigour to your assertions is to be recommended, I don't think statistics of sufficient quality are available to support your case. Equally they don't suppport anybody else's case either. The cultural divide between heterosexuals and homosexuals does not help mutual understanding so the only source of information appears to be anecdote and experience, making views as relevant as anyone else's. :o)
@ Khandro Yes, I thought your question about lollypops in the thread in science was going to be trying to prove your ridiculous thesis and support your bigotry. I was not wrong.
You can only apply the kind of statistical analysis you are attempting to make when you have proper numbers. You have no accurate idea of how many homosexuals, bisexuals and closet homosexuals there are around the globe. You have no accurate number of how many incidents of child abuse occur around the globe, directed at either girls or boys. You make the fundamental error of assuming that all male-male sexual assaults are driven by sexual orientation (homosexuality), rather than paedophilia, a psycho-sexual disorder that is somewhat gender-blind.
Back of the matchbook calculations to support your bias might go down very well at the local pub, but do nothing to actually support your contention.
And to submit such an traumatising subject ( predatory sexual attacks on children) to some kind of biased numbers game in a desperate attempt to support your bigotry is pretty disgraceful in its own right.
You can only apply the kind of statistical analysis you are attempting to make when you have proper numbers. You have no accurate idea of how many homosexuals, bisexuals and closet homosexuals there are around the globe. You have no accurate number of how many incidents of child abuse occur around the globe, directed at either girls or boys. You make the fundamental error of assuming that all male-male sexual assaults are driven by sexual orientation (homosexuality), rather than paedophilia, a psycho-sexual disorder that is somewhat gender-blind.
Back of the matchbook calculations to support your bias might go down very well at the local pub, but do nothing to actually support your contention.
And to submit such an traumatising subject ( predatory sexual attacks on children) to some kind of biased numbers game in a desperate attempt to support your bigotry is pretty disgraceful in its own right.
I guess people have decided to just completely ignore the huge meta-study peer-reviewed and published in Clinical Psychology Today then. And the research of the Child Molestation Research and Prevention Network.
Khandro: the data you're using for your conclusions is full of gaping holes. For example, you have nothing on the numbers of sex abuse that takes place within families (which as far as we can tell is where more than half of it takes place).
Khandro: the data you're using for your conclusions is full of gaping holes. For example, you have nothing on the numbers of sex abuse that takes place within families (which as far as we can tell is where more than half of it takes place).
"ou can only apply the kind of statistical analysis you are attempting to make when you have proper numbers. You have no accurate idea of how many homosexuals, bisexuals and closet homosexuals there are around the globe. You have no accurate number of how many incidents of child abuse occur around the globe, directed at either girls or boys. You make the fundamental error of assuming that all male-male sexual assaults are driven by sexual orientation (homosexuality), rather than paedophilia, a psycho-sexual disorder that is somewhat gender-blind. "
This too.
This too.
If anybody wishes to check, this is the thread where Khandro put his maths to the test:
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LG, your assertion that paedophilia is 'somewhat gender blind' concurs with sp's view. Do you have any stats. that support that? I am particularly puzzled by the definitions as there seem to be several categories of variously abnormal behavious that are lumped together under the catch all 'paedophilia'. Infantophilia is the end of the spectrum which is most extreme but a predilection for15 year old girls cannot be considered equivalent and in some western societies is perfectly acceptable.
@ Jom There are several papers out there on gender orientation of the assailant and paedophilia. In most cases, the fixation is less to do with gender and more to do with age.In these individuals, described as fixated-regressed, they have no distinctive sexual orientation, being focused on children rather than male/female.
There was a study by Groth/Birmbaum back in 1978 where they looked at 170 odd adult males convicted of a sexual assault on a child. 40% were regressed adult heterosexuals, 13% regressed adult bisexuals, and the remaining 47% had no conventional sexual preference, but were fixated/sexually aroused by the age of their victims. Another study from the early 90s looked at all ER admissions of child abuse victims over a 12 month period at 1 busy hospital. Where the molester could be identified, less than 1% was a gay or lesbian adult.
There are other studies out there, but Paedophilia in the dictionary sense appears to be a sexual orientation of its own, blind to the gender of the victim.
There was a study by Groth/Birmbaum back in 1978 where they looked at 170 odd adult males convicted of a sexual assault on a child. 40% were regressed adult heterosexuals, 13% regressed adult bisexuals, and the remaining 47% had no conventional sexual preference, but were fixated/sexually aroused by the age of their victims. Another study from the early 90s looked at all ER admissions of child abuse victims over a 12 month period at 1 busy hospital. Where the molester could be identified, less than 1% was a gay or lesbian adult.
There are other studies out there, but Paedophilia in the dictionary sense appears to be a sexual orientation of its own, blind to the gender of the victim.
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