"it Is Because I Am A Black Male"

[anotheoldgit]

So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it?

Our justice system is at times a complete joke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562432/Teenager-blamed-attacks-random-strangers-young-black-male-spared-jail.html

/// When he put his bag down next to 49-year-old Hamadi Nebili, the passenger looked up from his newspaper. ///

/// Samuels stared at Mr Nebili and said: ‘Are you looking? Are you gay?’ ///

/// He then unloaded a barrage of punches at the terrified passenger, leaving him with serious head wounds which required stitches. ///

[anotheoldgit]

Sp1814

Yes it is much easier to criticise the messenger either the Daily mail or in this case myself, than address the point.

[dunnitall]

AOG you know you won't "win" or make people accept your point on here when it comes to colour....we is da untouchables innit bruv.... Ethnic majority I think. Never mind, ten out of ten for pushing your point which mostly I have to agree with.

[andy-hughes]

dunitall - that is a somewhat sweeping statement to make.

I don't think anyone who posts on here regularly regards black people as immune from anything on the basis of their ethnicity.

It is very easy to make points in varying degrees of obscurity about the fact that people of colour seem to account for a large amount of crime - when it is more likely that they account for a degree of reported and media-interest crime, which is not the same thing.

Anyone can, and some do push a point, and if a large number of posters disagree with it, then so be it - but that does not autoatically represent a simple willingness to excuse bad behaviour on the basis of colour - that is simply not a true representation of what occurs on here.

[LazyGun]

This question is in danger of disappearing up yet another rhetorical rabbit hole.

AoG Posts the headline "it is because I am a black male", then follows it up with a statement linking the lenient sentence offered the thugs in question with the defence offered in the title.

But this is not what happened. The judge explicitly rejected that "defence", offered by the defendants legal team. The grounds for her leniency were not down to this issue.

I still think she was unduly lenient, but she makes it clear that that particular defence tactic had nothing to do with her decision.

[sp1814]

AOG

The mistake you made, is that you didn't read the whole article, and thought that they genuinely got suspended sentences because of the excuse of being black.

Hence:

"it Is Because I Am A Black Male"

So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it?

Our justice system is at times a complete joke.


I will stop attacking the validity of your questions, on the proviso that you stop leaving wide open goals.

[dunnitall]

Andy, I am in touch with someone who is in the area of noting crime or whatever you would like to call it, and a lot of crime which occurs in the area that person is in, relates unfortunately to colour dividing the divide. Not media representation but actual recorded crime or as presented. None of us like to accept certain divisive facts but sometimes they are there, palatable or not. If only people would open their eyes and see the true facts and figures and not colour them with what they WANT to believe, life might just throw up the real way of living here and what it has become since "the good old days". Sorry if you find my take on things not to your liking but I am speaking not from reading the media but actual fact. Sad that it is to say and sad for whatever reason it occurs, it is actually happening in our country today afaic. My opinion the same as yours is your opinion.

[sp1814]

dunnitall

I don't doubt what you're saying.

As I understand it, the colour divide in street crime is often based on the drugs taken by the crim.

Burglars...heroin...mainly white.

Street robbery...cannabis...mostly black.

[sandyRoe]

"The effect long term for you and for society are extremely important factors to consider."
I notice the judge and myself are of one mine here. If these teenagers had been imprisoned and set on the path to a life of crime society would have had to pay a heavy price.

[sp1814]

dunnitall

Also, I am lead to understand that different frauds are race specific, with certain types of crime more 'white' than others, and some crimes more 'black or Asian' than others.

Is that true?

[FredPuli43]

AOG, why did you put "SO [my emphasis] that is enough to prevent these violent savages going to jail" if you knew all along that that was not a reason given for the sentence? How does that "enough to prevent.." fit what follows: "Our justice system is a complete joke" unless you have the premiss? The whole premiss of what you wrote was these people avoided jail because they were black? If it wasn't, what then was the point of mentioning it?

I am not going to apologise to you for your embarrassment, nor for my being able to read the plain English of what you put. Perhaps you would care to precisely answer the above?

[dunnitall]

Sp yes I think it is. Don't get me wrong, all crime is wrong but there are areas of such crime where it is race/cultural specific, I should imagine that applies to most countries too. We should be tackling all crime head on, no exceptions and all of equal force...but it will take a long time for justice to be seen when some people whoever they ay be, can be seen to be treated leniently against some who are not. Do we blame the judges who interpret the law, after all it is a matter of opinion or the government for not treating everyone equally?

[Old_Jim]

Back in the olden days when I used to run a youth club, I ejected one particularly violent young man. He accused me of picking on his because he was black. I pointed out to him that the colour of his skin caused me no problems although I recognised that it was none of his doing. However, if he thought that attacking people at random was a consequence of having dark skin, he was a worse racist than I was.

[sp1814]

Old_Jim

Absolutely. There are people who who will try and pull that one. There are some who will play the race card, and others who try to apply the race card to others. Your response sounds a bit perfect.

[sp1814]

FredPuli43

That's how I read it too.

Why the 'so'.?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Imagine what you like I know what I put and I did read what the report said, but congratulations you have managed to turn the attention from the fact that some black savage thugs have been let off free to most likely attack someone else.

[THECORBYLOON]

Yet again, ANOTHEOLDGIT makes a statement, backtracks and pretends there was always another interpretation which we are too blinkered to fathom. Apologies? Aye, that'll right...

[anotheoldgit]

"it Is Because I Am A Black Male"

Apostrophes because that is what the accused said in his defense.

/// So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it? ///

Asking others if they thought his excuse was good enough, as obviously the prisoner thought it was.

/// Our justice system is at times a complete joke. ///

Referring to the judges decision to allow all of them to go free.

I hope that puts it straight for all those 'doubting Thomas's', but I doubt it, they obviously only want to think what is in their particular mindset.

[anotheoldgit]

Obviously some don't think it is wrong for some to get off because they can afford to pay out compensation, this may be how some countries handle things but I never thought criminals could get away with it in the UK.

Our justice system is at times a complete joke.

[emmie]

ridiculous argument, and a ridiculous sentence, a joke that isn't funny