Should We Follow Their Lead?

[youngmafbog]

Or stick with liberal Policing and justice that has been shown not to work?

http://news.sky.com/story/1216107/crackdown-on-alcohol-fuelled-violence-in-oz

[emmie]

i would make sentences tougher for violence under the influence of drink or drugs that result in injury to a party. However you have to take in to consideration if all the parties are drunk, how you work out who threw what. I would also land them in a drunk tank, as they have done at Christmas, and fine them heavily when they are sober. They will then think twice, at least i would hope so, on going out and getting bladdered and causing mayhem

[Zeuhl]

Our policing on drink related offences isn't 'liberal'

It is under resourced and neglected

If you commit only 6 officers to policing a large town on a Saturday night what can one expect. If it kicks off at one venue at closing time that's everyone committed. and anyone else calling 999 will have to wait.

Politicians find it easier to deal with matters such as Minimum Price for Alcohol Units which don't focus on the real issue, affect everybody and (coincidentally) raise revenue for them.

[emmie]

if the people want to get bladdered, they don't need to do so in a club or bar, they can start off at home with some cheap plonk, or cheapish spirits, then continue the party half cut in town, once pubs wouldn't serve you if you arrived pissed, and if argumentative or aggressive would show you the door. From personal experience of odd jobbing to supplement the meagre wage of my day job

[emmie]

in my experience police are always thin on the ground, not necessarily around the waist however.

[Zeuhl]

^
LOL em

So that explains why there's always a shower of crumbs when a bobby gets out of his car?

[andy-hughes]

I know I sound like a cracked record, but the answer to drink-fuelled violence is to start with education in schools and get the message across that alcohol poisoning (and drop the trendy labels like trollied, hammered, mullered, and all that nonsense) is not the definition of a good time.

Unlesss young people can be turned away from the need to drink to excess to fulfil the cultural attitudes towards 'a good time', we will never stop this anti-socail behaviour.

Of course, education costs money, and its not sexy, so don't expect any government any time soon to start the process off.

[emmie]

actually i had some happy times getting mullered, if i ended up in a ditch that was my stupid lookout, and if i had ended up in a drunk tank, and been fined, like as not i wouldn't have done it again, or at least not whilst anyone was looking.

[emmie]

have you watched some of these tv shows on teens, young adults abroad, i often wonder what the locals make of them, actually i can guess.

[ummmm]

Emmie...you don't know what you're talking about.

Fights will happen regardless of alcohol.

[emmie]

of course i do, i don't speak from no experience. please don't tell what i know or don't.

[emmie]

and fights break out when no alcohol is concerned,
but that's the point of the post, about alcohol fuelled binges.

[ummmm]

I can post what I want!!

I was brought up in a pub, quite a rough one, fights don't need alcohol, they are more than likely over football.

[emmie]

and i worked in many, so also know what goes on. The point of the OP
was about how to stop them binge drinking and getting into bother, in the heading, should we follow their lead. I have already said what they could do, but unlike they will,

[Zeuhl]

Alcohol may exacerbate, but the issue we should take action against is anti-social behaviour and violence whatever the cause.

It might be better if people didn't drink excessively but frankly I've done it and it's none of my business if other people want to binge drink and get paralytic.

I do have an issue with people causing trouble for their neighbours or fellow citizens.

If someone gets really drunk and makes it home without bothering anyone - fine.

If someone is walking the streets kicking over dustbins, shouting and assaulting people it doesn't matter if they are sober or drunk - we need the resources and resolve to stop them and discourage them from doing it again

[ummmm]

Cause you did, conveniently.

[emmie]

i am not going to name them, but yes i did, i can count them if you like, i did so because my wages were not high in the day job, i don't use excuses, and quite honestly i don't like it when some call you a liar.

[emmie]

5 or 6, and in more rough places than i wish to remember, smoke filled, grubby, but the money wasn't bad, i didn't earn enough in the day, so that was a way to pay supplement the bills.

[ummmm]

Was this in the Capitol before it was beyond all recognition?

[emmie]

not quite, it was until i had full time, well paid occupation.
London has changed for the worse, but that also isn't part of the question.

[emmie]

a neighbour was a vile drunk, a friend who was an alcoholic, who eventually succumbed to the drink and cigs, was not, he was a lovely man