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modeller | 17:04 Sat 01st Mar 2014 | News
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NHS admin worker who ordered £160,000 of printer cartridges no-one needed and sold them on eBay is locked up

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Anything run by the state rapidly becomes inefficient and wide open to this type of racket. It's true that some big multi-nationals are also bad at times but at least the tax payer doesn't automatically pick up the tab.
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The difference Naomi is that the state fiddle ( as you call it) is on a massive scale and WE pick up the tab. The bottom line is, government organisations throughout the world are Milch Cows and Socialism breeds the most.
The NHS is notorious for wasting money.
A small example relates to a hospital I am very familiar with. Each ward/side room now has a large clock which shows the time, day and date. Not only do I think the money could have been put to better use but I was astounded the last time I was an in- patient and the clock was showing the wrong date. The nurse in charge informed me she would have to put a request in for it to be altered and said when they needed altering it took TWO workmen. As soon as her back was turned I reached up, took it down and corrected it myself. I probably saved the NHS around £30
This story did shock me as I work in a similar public sector set-up and no way could this have gone undetected where I am, it would have been picked up by Finance, Compliance, IT probably too and certainly security when you try to leave with them. Very odd.
Modeller, true, there is enormous waste in all government departments and in government-run institutions, but it happens regardless of the flavour of government and it's a different issue. I really don’t think you can blame ‘Socialism’ per se for someone thinking they’d found a good fiddle. Thieves come in all political hues.
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mrs overall . More like £300 ! By the time that requisition finally went through all the departments.
I don't see your point here. You are saying socialism is stealing for your employer ? Or that this must be totally stopped when the public employ someone but is ok when it happens in a private enterprise (where it'll increase the cost of the product or service) ? Maybe when it happens in private enterprise it is capitalism in action ?
OG, no - that's personal 'enterprise'. ;o)
just a couple of thieves, why aren't they going to pay all the money back.

whilst working at the BBC, someone noticed that a large grand piano was not where it should be, it was very expensive, turns out thieves had simply walked in and wheeled it out.
There has been some appalling waste within the NHS, that is true, and actually I do not disagree with the sentiment expressed by some that governments can be careless with taxpayers money, but that does not equate to "socialism" as a political ideology being at fault, not does it support this particular story being an illustration of that. What this particular story tells us is a lesson about human failing, and greed, and what happens when management/audit is lax. That can happen anywhere, in any institution.

When you look at the millions that have been wasted on failed IT projects ( whose aim -joined up medical records- would actually have been a good thing), or on "external consultants" that successive governments seem only too happy to throw money at, to tell them what they want to hear, to the billions wasted in endless ideologically-driven "re-organisations" from governments of all ideologies, or the millions wasted in the ongoing "PFI" programmes, millions wasted even on homeopathy hospitals/treatments - a redundant and unevidenced therapeutic modality - and the many ,many millions wasted in the tendering process, where services are forced to go out to tender before awarding service provider contracts - these are the scandal.

The PFI initiative in particular, initiated by Major, embraced with enthusiasm by Blair is a perfect example of an ill-thought out programme, designed with the best of motives - to improve and create modern day hospitals and facilities - but with a resultant massively over-inflated on-cost that threatens to beggar many trusts with its repayment programmes.

Never mind the NHS - just look at the railway system in this country. Everyone talks about the advantage that privatisation has brought - modern rolling stock, "investment" into the infrastructure, all of that - but we have had failures of the franchise programme, with private organisations walking away and picking up the cost, and the taxpayers expense. Or how about the determination to re-franchise the East Coast Mainline Services, despite the fact that currently as a state run institution it is turning a profit, returning 500,000K a year to the treasury?

And none of these are a consequence of a "socialist" agenda, as such, but much more to do with successive governments ill- thought out tinkering of existing system. So if you want to talk about waste, talk about issues like these, do not attempt to simply lay the blame at the door of one particular political ideology :)
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naomi The difference is , naomi , Socialism is a cancer , it can't stop growing, as long as the money is uncontrolled.

//Thieves come in all political hues.// Yes they do but the more state control you have ( Socialism ) the easier it is .
"//Thieves come in all political hues.// Yes they do but the more state control you have ( Socialism ) the easier it is"

I profoundly disagree, and I do kind of object to being described as a "cancer", if I am being honest.
Er socialism?

A bit desperate trying to blame socialism for this. The NHS has been run like a commercial business for over 15 years with targets and budgets to keep. This was a case of thieving by an employee, which happens all the time in the commercial sector. The theft was spotted and the employee dealt with.
Let's keep this simple shall we....it has very little to do with "thieving" it is to do with how an employee can order £160,000 worth of unneeded commodities.

It is that simple.
Doesn't that indicate that there's a level of checks missing in procurement? More staff needed?

Capitalism at work?

// An Ulster Bank employee who was known for his gambling and extravagant lifestyle may have stolen up to £500,000 from the bank's vault, an employment tribunal has revealed. //

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-25451447
No Sandy , it just indicates that thieves exist in every walk of life.
//Never mind the NHS - just look at the railway system in this country. //

the failure of NXEC was due to a business plan that didn't account for the recession of 2008 or the huge and rapid concurrent increase in fuel - thus they paid well over the odds for the franchise (including a massive premium they undertook to pay to the DfT) and were then unable to turn the profit they needed to make it work. The fact that EastCoast is doing so well now the economy has picked up tends to suggest that the basis of their plan would have been sound.
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LG I don't know what you actually disagree with but sufficient to say every socialist state throughout the world has failed economically and socially.
Unless of course you consider North Korea a success . I'm sure you don't .
It is rather too easy on paper to take things personally. Certainly none meant.
May I add I think our NHS is a wonderful organisation . Yes warts and all.
This doesn't mean we should be blind to its failings.
Completely agree with Sandy. It's the lack of checks that allowed this to happen. I could just as easily blame this on Tory cuts in the public sector. It certainly has little to do with socialism.
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Gromit //A bit desperate trying to blame socialism for this. The NHS has been run like a commercial business for over 15 years with targets and budgets to keep. //
Oh that's all right then ? Just keep turning the blind eye.
You talk as if this is a One Off ! It went on for over 6 years before her gullible boss queried what she was doing and even then accepted her story.
That was despite the fact her department's costs jumped from around £2,000 to £60,000. per annum.

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