Woman Blamed Fully For Crash ...

[joko]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572989/Woman-BMW-driver-killed-two-toddlers-ploughing-pushchairs-crashing-car-distracted-phone-call.html

am i missing something in this case?

it appears that they are pretty much 100% blaming this woman for the death of these toddlers - but she hit them only because her car was hit by another driver who ran a red light!

it seems the mans pathetic excuses of 'misconstruing the green light' and 'being confused by roadworks' etc, means they seem to think he is practically innocent!

i realise he has since died in unrelated circumstances so cannot be tried in court.

apparently she was on a hands free phone, and was going 36 in a 30 - both of which i agree are technically wrong - (i suspect she sped up momentarily to get through amber light) but had the man not run the red light and shunted her into the kids, there would have been no accident!
Of course she should shoulder some blame but i cant understand why they aren't slamming the mini driver too.

what do you think?

[joko]

and yes i know its the mail...

[pixie373]

Has he died since? I didn't see that. It's mainly his fault, the female driver didn't help- and neither did the parents. Combination of them all, really.

[shoota]

Had she slowed down and stopped at the amber light as she should the collision would not have happened.
Had she not been hit by the mini and had her course diverted and her airbag inflated the collision would not have happened.
Equal blame IMO.

[jno]

I don't know that she's "fully" being blamed, just being tried for her part in it, which the court can decide on. I've no doubt the other driver would have been charged too if he'd been alive; nobody is saying he bore no responsibility.

[joko]

sorry, to clarify, i mean the way they are talking about him - there seems to be a tone as though his mistakes were just unfortunate, as though they couldn't be helped.

i expect if he were alive he'd be in court too - but it just reads like they are blaming her totally.

[pixie373]

They do seem very sympathetic to him for some reason. He went through red, she went through amber. He collided with another car, causing two deaths. I would say it's mostly him.
But, if, as you say, he's died since, that might change the sensitivities of the report? Not that it should.

[shoota]

Pixie:
AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident

[pixie373]

Yes, so he jumped an amber AND a red.
chewn, the headline itself sounds as though it is entirely her fault-
//Woman BMW driver 'killed two toddlers by ploughing into their pushchairs after crashing into car while distracted by phone call'//

[shoota]

My point Pix is that if she had stopped at the amber none of this would have happened.

[pixie373]

Yes, but he didn't stop at an amber or red, so i don't see why she was more to blame than him?

[shoota]

His actions would not have caused the collision with the kids if she had not gone through a light at which she should have stopped.
So she was at fault first.

[pixie373]

I read it all, chewn and agree the report is blaming her more than him.

[pixie373]

And her actions wouldn't have collided with the kids if he hadn't shunted her into them.

[pixie373]

I agree with all of joko's op.

[shoota]

I said that at 23.01 Pixel which is why I think the blame is fairly equally shared.