How Are We Going To Cope With The Ageing Population?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27136608

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I think you have hit on a point that has thus far not been considered...old people are less 'elderly' than elderly people in the past...through better nutrition, less people smoking, healthier lifesytles. ///

Perhaps the Government should stop financing all these costly TV health commercials?

That would save a few quid.

[emmie]

so you hired the help, what you suggested was the sick, dementia, alzheimers family member can be cared for at home, if you had a full time nurse, i might agree with you, as i said its not good if you have a full time job, and a family as well -

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// The first minister to seek immigrants from the Caribbean was

ta-daaa

Enoch Powell. ///

Oh that is what he is infamous for then, I thought it was his 'Rivers of Blood' speech?

[jno]

currently, 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

Send them home and see how the NHS gets on

[tamborine]

Caring needs costing; do I pay £2kpw for a home or pay a carer £200pw?

[jno]

you can find him infamous for as many things as you like, aog.

He was health minister at the time he started recruiting Caribbean staff.

[emmie]

most of those came and settled as i have already stated.

as to 50 percent of the NHS is run by immigrants, show me show figures, then i might go along with that.

[emmie]

why would they go home if they can earn good money here, that's just stupid

[emmie]

care homes 2k a week, really?

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// currently, 26% of NHS doctors are immigrants ///

Yes but according to some recent reports are they qualified up to British standards?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/18/foreign-doctors-should-face-tougher-skills-test

[naomi24]

jno

/// The first minister to seek immigrants from the Caribbean was

ta-daaa

Enoch Powell. ///

That gives the impression that Enoch Powell was responsible for bringing the first immigrants from the Caribbean to this country, but it’s a false impression. The first immigrants from the Caribbean came here in 1948 – two years before Powell was elected to parliament.

[tamborine]

Thats the average cost Em if the patient is a home owner. None home owners get same care for 100% less.

[emmie]

tambo
a relative has a dad in care, 500 quid a week currently, its still a lot, and she is a home owner. they have home, mortgage, both work full time and have young children

[ToraToraTora]

Well It seems to have become and unintended immigration debate. SP yes I agree we would need ecourage families to look after their elderly relatives like immigrants tend to and, you are correct, we did also a generation or 2 ago. I'd like to see a proliferation of granny flats etc but the main problem is that most youngsters have little chance of getting on the housing ladder. I have a couple of kids that see it as impossible to buy a house when ironically they are paying more in rent than I pay for my mortgage! Sad but true, I guess the way forward is for us to give the house to the kids in exchange for care and a granny flat! It depends on the case though, I know a couple of 80+ guys that are pretty fit and would not need much care but on the other side there are those that need 24 hour care so it depends on individual circumstances. If I remain compus mentis I'd rather stay with family when I'm old (older!)

[emmie]

how does anyone know that immigrants tend to their elderly. Have them at home, and even if many do, is it because the wife doesn't work - or they have many children so they can share the costs, and care of the parent

[emmie]

granny flats, where, tacked onto the family home, what make you think that if the person was well enough for the time being they want to move and be in a granny flat.

[sp1814]

emmie

What I wrote there was absolute cobblers.

It's no where near 50% and for the life of me, I don't know where I got that figure from.

I *think* (although I can't prove it), that I saw that figure in relation to the number of new clinical staff working for the NHS.

Actual figures are here:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

I unreservedly withdraw my comment about 50%.

[emmie]

thank you for the info. However caring for the elderly isn't a new problem, and anyone who thinks its easily answered obviously hasn't tried.

[Old_Geezer]

We can cope with an aging population the same way as we presently could cope with a load of able bodied folk out of work. It is always the case that the costs of society need to be covered by the taxes on those working to create wealth. This need not, and possibly can not, rely of 100% employment, it's just a case of being competent enough to ensure sufficient wealth creation by those employed cover the costs of society. No one needs to push the issue further into the future by overcrowding this country further though. We need to abandon supporting such short sighted so called solutions.

[emmie]

wholeheartedly agree.