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[Lindylou]

What are the RSPCA doing about the cruelty involving Halal slaughter techniques? And why haven't they done something about it already? I will never, ever, knowingly buy Halal meat.

[wolf63]

Have a read of this petition

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64331

[Milvus]

RSPCS's response to ritual slaughter, (Kosher, Halal) is here
http://www.rspca.org.uk/media/pressreleases/details/-/article/PressRSPCACallsForAllFarmAnimalsToBeStunnedBeforeSlaughter

[Just-Jude]

I support ALF. We need to take physical action, protests and petitions are not enough!

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Actions-UK/ScotlandVsHalal.htm

[Milvus]

Why just Halal?

[emmie]

why not, its something that has been hidden by the supermarket chains, if you don't like the idea of how the animals are slaughtered,
even if other methods are not failsafe, one should have the choice halal or not

[Milvus]

So what about Kosher, game food shot or how fish are left to suffocate, or are gutted live?
Not bothering about those?
This focus on Halal seems like Daily Mail reader bluster to me

[emmie]

it isn't anything to do with DM, i do eat meat, but quite honestly if i thought that they were slaughtered in a method that caused much more distress to the animal then i would stop or seek outlets that do not do halal. one doesn't know what goes on in any abattoir, however we have laws in place where the animals do not suffer unnecessarily, to kill the animals in the most humane way possible. no one knows for sure of course, i do see that, either that give up meat altogether

[emmie]

a butcher i have seen advertises his produce as unstunned animals,
as did a chap being interviewed on the tv, he said his customers would not buy from him if the animals were not killed according to their religion and this meant not stunning the animals first,

[emmie]

i don't think many actually care one way or the other, if you come from a country where this is the norm, why would you.

[Milvus]

Emmie as a butcher I assume you sell some game, pheasant, duck, rabbit, hare. I assume none of those are labelled describing method of death. i have never seen labelling on prawns, lobster, crab etc this animal was boiled alive.
I don’t think the fuss about Halal is about the method of slaughter

[emmie]

few methods of killing creatures are humane though of course we don't know what exactly they feel, as we perhaps can't equate our type of pain, but they feel must feel distress if presented with a stressful situation, as been described by various people.

[Milvus]

I agree Emmie. What i don't understand is the focus on Halal in relation to animal welfare. It seems it's wrong for a religion (in this case Jewish or Muslim) to to bleed an animal to death (stunned or not) but it's OK for the rest of us to boil, suffocate, gut live animals.

[emmie]

points well made.
however this is something that by and large has not happened on large scale in Britain, and that our ruling bodies on animal welfare in respect of stunning animals before slaughter is quite clear

[Milvus]

Fair point Emmie

[emmie]

i don't want animals to suffer, they do so largely at the hands of humans,
they might kill for food or territory, generally we kill them for food, sport, and sometime unbridled cruelty. I like horse racing yet i know how cruel that can be. its always a paradox on animal welfare, i readily admit i eat meat, and fish, have visited several farms where the animals were not kept in ideal conditions, and have seen or rather ingested the disgusting stench of the chicken factories, that made me vomit,
so its not ideal, i don;t agree with animals being tested for products,
its seems barbaric. but we look at this with our human eyes, ears, emotions, but i do wonder that some things that can be changed should be, or not allowed in the first place.

[Milvus]

You raise a number of good points Emmie but animals largely suffer in the hands of other animals. The food chain is far from sensitive about death. Humans now crusade like the Halal thing we discuss here. Tiny effect. We ban hunting with dogs but ignore the 200 million + wild animals killed by domestic cats, we decry people eating dogs and horses yet eat most of the other mammals ourselves. I find little sense in it

[emmie]

the cat situation has been a problem for years, and no one does anything about it, because by and large you can't, except keeping them indoors the whole time. i know they kill millions of birds, and other creatures, their hunting instincts are still there, we can't tame them no matter their domesticity, i had a lovely cat but he sometimes bought home unwanted guests, not nice at all. Humans are still the worse at animal welfare, kill as many fish in the sea by over fishing, industrial sized trawlers sweeping up everything in it's path, and those creatures that are not wanted will be consigned to the deep, not necessarily still alive.
we kill animals on an industrial scale because we are a large population, and that its relatively cheap to eat meat, where once it wasn't normal to have meat each day, now it can be.

[jno]

like Milvus, I don't think this fuss is about killing methods. People seem content to buy chicken from repulsive battery farms; if they start demanding its death be non-halal, I suspect animal rights aren't their main concern.