Who Are The Real Facists?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-calls-for-police-to-arrest-protesters-who-call-us-fascists-ahead-of-showdown-with-antifascist-groups-in-brighton-9362483.html

/// Unite Against Fascism, whose parliamentary officer is Labour MP Peter Hain, and the Hope Not Hate campaign group, one of whose patrons is Labour peer Baroness Kinnock. ///

Now we can see why these aggressive groups can carry out their violence against legitimate political parties and mostly get away scot free.

[ichkeria]

...but arresting people simply for calling you a fascist sounds a bit er ...Fascist

[Zeuhl]

Bear in mind, this question is from someone who thinks that just one anti-UK audience member in The Question Time audience is a sign of unwarranted BBC manipulation.

Eliminating ALL opposition in the name of Fairness is another indicator of fanaticism, fascist or otherwise.

[Zeuhl]

That should read...

Bear in mind, this question is from someone who thinks that just one anti-UKIP audience member in The Question Time audience is a sign of unwarranted BBC manipulation.

Eliminating ALL opposition in the name of Fairness is another indicator of fanaticism, fascist or otherwise.

[sp1814]

I always thought that a good sign of a fascist is someone who won't allow legitimate criticism of their views.

Like those who demand the police descend on someone who posts satirical remarks about their group on social media.

That sounds like fascism to me.

[Zeuhl]

fascism (wiki)

///Robert Paxton says that fascism is "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.///

It has to be said that that definition does suggest certain posters on AB :-)

[Old_Geezer]

I don't believe intolerance of folk who disagree with you is only associated with fascism. Most extreme dictatorial type regimes have that facet to them. Plus many whose position is tenuous and who can not afford too much opposition.

[DaisyNonna]

And in simple English?

[Zeuhl]

daisy

well for starters:

/obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood/

is a regular feature on AB from certain quarters :-)

[jno]

yes, if you watch Triumph of the Will, a film of Hitler at a Nuremberg rally, you expect him to be blasting out threats to the world, but he's not, he spends much of it whining about how unfair everything is and how terribly the world is treating poor Germany.

[Svejk]

hit the nail on the head there, og.

[youngmafbog]

So, all you name calling lefties, are you seriously saying UKIp (not the odd nutter which all parties seem to attract) are this:
//abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing //

[youngmafbog]

//I always thought that a good sign of a fascist is someone who won't allow legitimate criticism of their views. //

All EUphiles then.

[youngmafbog]

I would have thought in the civil courts there is a good case for slander and on the streets the Police could arrest the 'anti fascists' for incitement to violence. It tends to be them attacking not UKIP.

[jno]

how many fascist EUphiles have prevented you from expressing your views then, youngmafbog?

Seems to me you announce them on a daily basis without any hindrance at all.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I always thought that a good sign of a fascist is someone who won't allow legitimate criticism of their views. ///

Like the same people who won't allow legitimate criticism of Islam?

Their attacks on the EDL springs to mind.

[DrFilth]

some members are very quick to call other members racist aog ?

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// Seems to me you announce them on a daily basis without any hindrance at all. ///

One is fairly safe behind a computer screen, although these same people will still try and bully, insult and intimate you.

But the same wouldn't be said if one took the same views on the street, the lefties would soon gather to hit you with their placards and throw eggs at you.

[emmie]

so they are, without a shred of evidence.

[jomifl]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is almost certainly Nigel Fartage.

[jomifl]

^oops....Farage.. an accident I assure you.