Latest Yougov Euro Election Poll

[mikey4444]

Not sure if anyone is interested but here is YouGovs Poll, published this morning :::

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/20/euro-election-voting-intention/

Labour......28
UKIP.........24
Tories.......21
Greens......12
LibDems....10 ( oh dear )

As you can see from the helpful graph, UKIP's support is sliding fast. Nice to see the Greens doing well though.

[mikey4444]

I am not sure your reasoning on the "getting out of bed" bit is entirely valid TTT, but if it is, wouldn't it also apply to UKIP ?

[ichkeria]

"ichkeria...have a look at the details of the Poll, especially the ages ranges.
Its interesting that UKIP's support comes almost entirely from the 40+, and the Greens from the 18-40. Labour and the Tories are more evenly laid out across the ages though. Fascinating ! "

What amuses me is the discussion underneath your link, where people are complaining about there not being PR, which of course there IS, in this election :-)

[sunny-dave]

The UKIP core vote will have to wait until their Polish care worker has got them out of bed & the Latvian chauffeur has got their nice German car ready, mikey.

[sunny-dave]

It's the type of PR which is the issue, ichkeria

[ToraToraTora]

there is no PR worth a light, complete abomination.

[ludwig]

I'll be glad when it's all over if only so you can stop blathering on about the latest polls mikey. Who give a f? Let's wait for the results and then discuss the results.

[mikey4444]

Of course sunny-dave...sorry I missed that reason !

I am on record here of supporting some kind of PR, but all PR's have their bugbears. See this helpful explanation of the D'Hondt System :::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27187434

Not easy is it ? The one mortal sin that PR allows though, is that the truly horrible and odious BNP now have 2 MEPS, although one of them at least should go after Thursday. We might not all agree about UKIP, but I trust there is no support for Nick Griffin and his ilk here on AB.

Or is there ?

[mikey4444]

Ludwig...some people on here this afternoon are interested and one even thanked me for my efforts......I hope you are not trying to stifle debate are you ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, I'm sure I saw you trying to rally people to expose the racists the other day. Didn't have much luck then?

[mikey4444]

Sorry naomi...bit gnomic for me. I merely asked if there were any BNP supporters here. We have had supporters from most of the other Parties self-identify, so it was a reasonable question to ask. They have 2 MEPs at Brussels, so somebody must have voted for them !

I will start this off...it wasn't me !

Your turn !

[naomi24]

Just an observation, but I doubt very much that the whole of the electorate contribute to AnswerBank so your question is really rather futile.

Incidentally, the BNP doesn't field candidates where I live.

[New Judge]

I actually replied to why young people are voting Green, not why they don't vote UKIP Mikey. But the answer's much the same. Youngsters have no experience of the UK before the EU and particularly of the EU pre-Maastricht so they have nothing to compare it with. It's rather like them thinking that a Big Mac and fries is the epitome of fine dining - they know no different. Furthermore they have more recently been subject to State education which promotes the EU as some sort of universal panacea for all of Europe's woes. They have spent 10 or 12 years being told it prevents wars, strikes out disease, cures rickets, gets rust off their roller skates, wins football matches, provides financial stability, puts money in their pockets, provides 3m jobs in the UK, facilitates cheap travel, and, most of all, gives them cheap mobile phone tariffs. No wonder they don't vote UKIP !!!

Yes I know Caroline Lucas only just scraped home but the thought that any group of people could vote in large enough numbers to elect a Green MP has me very puzzled. Mind you, there are a lot of very strange people in Brighton & Hove Actually (cue Joggerjayne to wade in with considerable indignation :-)

[sp1814]

The great thing about this election is that...well, let's be honest...so many people *really* don't give a flying fig about the European elections.

They give more of a fig about local council elections, and they give a whole punnet of figs about General Elections...

So these Euro elections are a great way for folk to let off steam.

I can't wait for the results to come rolling in. Better than Eurovision.

[ludwig]

//......I hope you are not trying to stifle debate are you ? //

No mikey, I like debate - I just find the whole 'polls' p1ssing contest thing is becoming a bit boring. You publish a poll that puts Labour out in front, then the next day some Tory supporter manages to find a poll somewhere that - surprise surprise - puts the Tories in the lead, then the next day lo and behold a UKIP supporter manages to find a poll that - you've guessed it - puts UKIP in the lead.

Seriously, I can't wait for the actual result. But even then I suppose we'll just get pronouncements of it being a glorious victory for Labour/the tories/ukip/libdems depending on who's doing the pronouncing.

[mikey4444]

NJ....I too find the Green position far too parochial to be worth voting for them in a Westminster election. I use exactly the same augment why I won't support Plaid Cymru here in Wales. Its a wasted vote as far as I am concerned.

However, I could be persuaded to give the Greens some support in a Council election ...having a couple of Greens on each Council might not be such a bad idea !

[sp1814]

NJ

Also, younger people are more liberal in their outlook than older folk.

Whilst older people may welcome such statements as 'Lenny Henry can go and live in a black country', 'If we shot one poofter etc...', 'gay people don't deserve equal treatment', 'I wouldn't want Romanians living next door to me'...I think that your average 18 to 35 year old would wince at these statements.

I have a feeling (obviously unsupported by evidence) that the reason younger people aren't as swayed by UKIP as older people is because they also don't think the party is 'for them'.

I remember seeing the see of faces at the UKIP annual conference earlier this year, and it looked like the cast of Midsomer Murders and Last Of The Summer Wine had joined up for an AGM.

Is it something your average 25 year old is going feel is 'relevent' (only going by what my relatives have said).

[sp1814]

'see of faces'???

For God's sake.

[sp1814]

mikey4444

I have to say - tomorrow we will probably find another poll which puts UKIP on top, or the Conservatives...that's what makes these elections so much fun.

I personally would be astonished if UKIP didn't make a strong showing, but I have to say...I'd be surprised if they actually secured the most votes.

Roll on the elections.

[Gromit]

I put £50 on UKiP to win at xmas on good odds, so I hope that poll is wrong.

I reckon it will be much closer than that between Labour and UKiP.

[mikey4444]

I realised, of course, that you were not trying to stifle debate ludwig. It was said tongue in cheek and I apologise if I may have given offence in so doing.

But Polls these days are much more accurate than they used to be. I know because I work for a major Polling organisation, but it would not be wise to say which one, here on AB. People already know my age and that I live in Swansea, and I wouldn't want to get into trouble with the people that pay my mortgage !

I have an interest in politics and have done so since a teenager. I too am waiting for the result of Thursday vote with much interest. For me the most significant result is likely to be the failure of the Tories to win many seats.

But its not possible to win or lose a Euro Election, in the same way as a General Election. Whatever happens this week, we will still have a Tory Government, propped up by an increasing unenthusiastic LibDem Party, and the next 12 months will be the most interesting and unpredictable. For instance, does anyone expect the coalition to last 12 months ? The election will be on Thursday 7th May. Parliament will probably be dissolved at the the beginning of April, and its unreasonable to think that the LibDems will still be supporting the Tories up until the finishing tape. So there is probably only 8-9 months left for dave to get in the lead. If he performs badly this Thursday, that task is going to be made even more difficult.

May we all live in interesting times ludwig !