Indirect Aid

[douglas9401]

While channel hopping I came across the last 10 minutes of a programme about life on benefits.
I was introduced to a Romanian gentleman who sends hundreds of pounds back to his wife in the motherland to be used by them to build a house. He's also got his pregnant daughter and hubby in tow to further suck on the teat of the British welfare state.
In what way is this in the spirit of the European Union and why are our servants in Westminster, Holyrood, Cardiff and Stormont not kicking up a hooly and replaning them back to where they came from with an attachment to their passports stating 'no begging you shiftless ***'?
I'm a mild mannered soul but this fat sponger upset my equilibrium somewhat.
Are we really such an emasculated, gutless soft touch of a country that we can't get these people stopped at the border or punted home?

[sandyRoe]

How often does he send this money back home? I think the benefit level for a single person in the UK is less than £70 a week. He'd not build much of a house on that.

[tamaris]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488813/Romanian-immigrant-I-want-to-make-40k-through-benefits-the-rest-I-ll-STEAL

[inksplotter]

I've just come from a question from someone who has been convicted of racism, who has just been arrested for ABH.

Maybe swearing at and beating up people of different races is not the answer, hmm?

[naomi24]

He upset my equilibrium rather more than somewhat, Douglas, as did that woman with several workshy children and 11 grandchildren, but I'm assuming that the rules applied to the indigenous also apply to incomers from Europe, and therefore any changes would affect all equally. Heaven forbid we should stop our own scroungers scrounging. That would be awfully unfair! ;o)

[VHG]

It is exactly things like this that makes people anti EU and "racist".

It is also why the UKIP vote has shot up in the last few years.

People get sick to death of going out to work for long hours and paying huge amounts in tax to see scroungers like this come here and abuse our benefits system.

The quicker we get out the EU (or at least change the rules) the better.

[factor-fiction]

We are free to go to Romania of course and claim their benefits. It's our benefit system and NHS that are attractive and are key reasons why people don't leave here to claim over there. Should we have a two tier system where benefits have to be earned in some way- maybe 2 years NI payments- for both immigrants and existing UK citizens?

[douglas9401]

Thank you methyl, that was the programme.

I just wonder how no-one in power can see the folly of allowing entry to the country for those with no job, no prospect of or interest in getting a job, no accommodation and bringing their entire clan, born and unborn with them.

EU law be buggered, common sense says that it's unsustainable and must be stopped.

[Hypognosis]

I thought it was widely known that even the hard-working immigrants have a habit of sending any spare money 'back home' so the economic growth they actually generate, here, is limited to the work they do and the minimal consumer items they allow themselves, so as to make their shed comfortable (including booze and cigs).

The flip-side of this is that the 'back home' family will not be declaring this back-door income, while claiming off their government. Their neighbours and peers will, however, be aware of their enhanced level of financial comfort so will be encouraged to follow suit. We've made a rod for our own back.

Like factor-fiction's post, I've suggested minimum NI conts period in the past.
I've also gone one further and asked whether we should keep accounts of benefits paid to EU migrants and simply send a quarterly bill to the 'donor' countries.

But we'll have to stay within the EU to enforce passing the €uck, like this.

[inksplotter]

Surely if they send the money back home the place becomes more prosperous and they don't need to send more immigrants?

Surely this is hypocrisy, Douglas? If one of your relatives went to America and made a fortune you'd want them to send you money?

[inksplotter]

I may have overdone the word "surely".

[sandyRoe]

'Money from America' used to be the phrase to describe a unexpected windfall.

[douglas9401]

If one of my relatives went to America and made a fortune they'd have worked for it, won it or found it in the street.
I doubt they'd spread the love from welfare benefits handed to them as idle, jobless immigrants who go on TV and boast about their 'plan'..