No Ham Or Wine From Tescos During Ramadan.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2694319/Tesco-apologises-Muslim-checkout-worker-refused-sell-customer-ham-wine-Ramadan.html

[DTCwordfan]

Judaism, ayg, just about a mirror copy of Muslimdom when it comes to food and health practices and can involve some serious brainwashing - there was the story earlier this week about a 1000+ boys in N London outside the educational system and being indoctrinated in extreme Hebrew practices, no exposure to science and all that.

[EDDIE51]

The Muslims who run ( very successfully) my corner shop are happy to sell Wine, Beer ,spirits, bacon pork and ham any time from 7am to 10pm 365 days a year. They don't even close for Christmas day , Jimmy the owner is a very devout Muslim who goes on Haj every year but he still sells pork and booze .

[naomi24]

sp, //To be fair, religious fundamentalists of varying denominations think that their 'faith' exempts them from so many things nowadays. //

In the case of Muslims it usually does. That doesn't seem very fair to me.

[sp1814]

Don't Cheistians try to impose their will on non-Christians as much as Muslims?

From where I stand, it seems that Hindus win the 'Most Tolerant Religion' award, with Anglicans second, and Catholics and Muslims bringing up the rear.

Regarding the halal meat question - I've never had a problem buying non-halal meat in any of the big supermarkets.

[sp1814]

EDDIE51

That's my experience too. Our local corner shop stays open until 01:30 each day and has been a life-saver on a few occasions when we've had house guests who have drunk all our booze.

I think the truth might be that like all religions, you have some who use their faith in order to support societal attitudes, but then there are others who reject fundamentalism.

All we have to do is compare some of the disgusting attitudes in Central Africa, Russia, the Middle East and in America's Bible Belt with the more relaxed attitudes of the general population for evidence of this.

[Svejk]

sp1814
/// Regarding the halal meat question - I've never had a problem buying non-halal meat in any of the big supermarkets///

How do you know?

[sp1814]

Svejk

Because it's labelled in Waitrose.

Meat has the name of the supplier/farmer.

We also go to local farmers' markets, and meet/know the stockists.

The thing about halal meat in supermarkets - there's no point in not labelling halal meat.

Just like kosher products.

(For obvious financial reasons!)

[naomi24]

//Don't Cheistians try to impose their will on non-Christians as much as Muslims?//

Some do - but they don't succeed. The people who refused to allow a gay couple to stay at their B&B were successfully prosecuted.

//Meat has the name of the supplier/farmer.

We also go to local farmers' markets, and meet/know the stockists.//

But are you told the method of slaughter? I doubt it.

[Svejk]

part of the row about halal meat was that supermarkets wouldn't label it thus. Well done to Waitrose if they do.

[jim360]

How long before we start hearing "unclean non-halal item in the bagging area"?

[naomi24]

Waitrose doesn't label its meat 'halal'.

//As far as labelling is concerned, there is currently no UK labelling scheme to cover this area and, if it was decided that labelling was needed, we believe this is a matter where Government should lead. //

http://helpandsupport.waitrose.com/system/selfservice.controller?CONFIGURATION=1006&PARTITION_ID=1&secureFlag=false&CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=2811

[ludwig]

Another whingearsing attention seeker refusing to the job they're paid to do because of some flimsy reason related to the cult they follow.

The thing to do if you object to this type of customer service is to leave all of the shopping at the checkout and go somewhere else.

[ummmm]

Ludwig....I've done that before...

[sandyRoe]

Lent must once have been something like Ramadan. Isn't it a great pity that it's now only a shadow of its former self.

[Svejk]

at least we still have pancakes, sandy, yay.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I strongly doubt that the farmer we go to, a white chap orginally from Wiltshire call Tom, is a Muslim, or produces halal meat and sells it secretly as non-halal.

What would be in it for him?

[sp1814]

naomi24

And I think this chap should be sacked.

Like the Christian registrar, and the Christian Relate councillor...and this Tesco worker...they should be free to follow whatever their faith dictates, but they should not be free to impose their will on others.

I see it like this - some men are members of the Freemasons. They have rules and protocols which are imposed on their members.

That is fine, and has nothing to do with me. As far as I'm concerned...go ahead chaps...fill your boots.

However, if the Freemasons tried to force all non-Freemasons into wearing pinafores, bowler hats and walking around with one trouser leg rolled up*, that would be unacceptable.



(*Obviously, I have no idea what the Freemasons get up to behind closed doors).

[sandyRoe]

Are you on the level with that last remark, SP1814? You seem to know a great deal about their activities.

[naomi24]

sp, farmers don't have to be Muslim for their meat to be slaughtered by the Halal method. Slaughterhouses do the slaughtering - not farmers. And he's not selling it secretly - he's just selling it. Unless you buy from a Halal butcher, you have no idea how your meat is slaughtered.

[sp1814]

naomi24

True...he could sneakily be using the halal method to slaughter all his animals and then selling (say) 10% as halal and the other 90% as non-halal even though it is.

Alternatively, he could be using traditional slaughter methods and selling 10% as halal even though it isn't.

At the end of the day, we cannot be 100% sure of our meat's origins - as the horsemeat scandal from a couple of years ago proved.