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Why after 51 years of screening 'Doctor Who' was there any need to include a Lesbian scene in the first place?
/// The decision to remove the first lesbian encounter in the show’s 51-year history has angered gay rights campaigners, who accused executives of giving into homophobia. ///
Why after 51 years of screening 'Doctor Who' was there any need to include a Lesbian scene in the first place?
/// The decision to remove the first lesbian encounter in the show’s 51-year history has angered gay rights campaigners, who accused executives of giving into homophobia. ///
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It' all a bit of a non event ( at least until the BBC decided to remove the scene) and tbh if it was a 'lesbian kiss' it was the least erotic thing I've ever seen. It was an air exchange between two lesbian characters, not quite the same thing, nothing erotic or sexual about it at all. Should it have been removed because someone's sensibiities got upset? No because...
08:57 Mon 01st Sep 2014
Answerprancer
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LOL that last line read a bit like "I know you are, but what am I".
It's nothing to do with turning a sexuality issue into a racial one, and what's more I think you know that but just in case you don't: the similarity is with the issue of *prejudice*, homosexuals and people from different ethnic backgrounds have both been subjected to prejudice at one time or another.
It's nothing to do with turning a sexuality issue into a racial one, and what's more I think you know that but just in case you don't: the similarity is with the issue of *prejudice*, homosexuals and people from different ethnic backgrounds have both been subjected to prejudice at one time or another.
AOG
Yes, I'm not diverting the question. You asked why after 51 years was there any need for a lesbian kiss.
First, it wasn't a 'lesbian' kiss, because neither character was playing lesbian. In fact, one wasn't even a human being.
The reference to Star Trek is valid, because it featured what some consider 'a controversial kiss'.
Do you not agree there is a similarity in the way that people reacted to the Star Trek kiss, and this particular scene?
And when I say 'some', I refer to the six people who complained.
Out of the millions who watched it.
Yes, I'm not diverting the question. You asked why after 51 years was there any need for a lesbian kiss.
First, it wasn't a 'lesbian' kiss, because neither character was playing lesbian. In fact, one wasn't even a human being.
The reference to Star Trek is valid, because it featured what some consider 'a controversial kiss'.
Do you not agree there is a similarity in the way that people reacted to the Star Trek kiss, and this particular scene?
And when I say 'some', I refer to the six people who complained.
Out of the millions who watched it.
Answerprancer
/// It's nothing to do with turning a sexuality issue into a racial one, and what's more I think you know that but just in case you don't: the similarity is with the issue of *prejudice*, homosexuals and people from different ethnic backgrounds have both been subjected to prejudice at one time or
another. ///
That may well be but in this instance the subject under discussion is
*** Doctor Who Lesbian Kiss Scene Cut In Case It Offends Asian
Audiences. ***
If you feel strongly about other prejudices then feel free to raise the matter in a thread of your own.
Then maybe you could then also include prejudices against women, the elderly, the disabled, the hard working tax payer etc, etc.
/// It's nothing to do with turning a sexuality issue into a racial one, and what's more I think you know that but just in case you don't: the similarity is with the issue of *prejudice*, homosexuals and people from different ethnic backgrounds have both been subjected to prejudice at one time or
another. ///
That may well be but in this instance the subject under discussion is
*** Doctor Who Lesbian Kiss Scene Cut In Case It Offends Asian
Audiences. ***
If you feel strongly about other prejudices then feel free to raise the matter in a thread of your own.
Then maybe you could then also include prejudices against women, the elderly, the disabled, the hard working tax payer etc, etc.
AOG
You wrote:
"Because I can see no reference that the Lesbian kiss scene was cut because of six viewer's complaints."
No, it wasn't - but you asked why it was necessary to have the kiss in the first place. My reasoning is that most viewers were not bothered by it - as evidenced by the fact that most viewers weren't bothered by it.
Did it spoil *your* enjoyment of the show?
If not, then surely there was no reason not to include the scene...?
You wrote:
"Because I can see no reference that the Lesbian kiss scene was cut because of six viewer's complaints."
No, it wasn't - but you asked why it was necessary to have the kiss in the first place. My reasoning is that most viewers were not bothered by it - as evidenced by the fact that most viewers weren't bothered by it.
Did it spoil *your* enjoyment of the show?
If not, then surely there was no reason not to include the scene...?
AOG
Back to the question - the 'kiss' was a plot device (exchange of oxygen).
It was not a lesbian kiss...
So in answer to your question - it was needed. How the plot will be resolved in territories where the kiss is removed remains to be unseen.
I hope that clarifies it.
But perhaps the best way for you to establish whether 'there was any need' is for you to watch the episode on BBC iPlayer, and decide for yourself.
Back to the question - the 'kiss' was a plot device (exchange of oxygen).
It was not a lesbian kiss...
So in answer to your question - it was needed. How the plot will be resolved in territories where the kiss is removed remains to be unseen.
I hope that clarifies it.
But perhaps the best way for you to establish whether 'there was any need' is for you to watch the episode on BBC iPlayer, and decide for yourself.
AOG
I think the BBC has to take audience attitudes into consideration.
Whilst it has to acknowledge that some, like you, may ask, "Is this necessary", it also has to weigh up the fact that attitudes have changed in the past 51 years. If that scene had (somehow) been shown in William Hartnell's day...or even Sylvester McCoy's, I expect there would have been a major outcry.
As it turns out, the six complaints suggests that whilst the scene may or may not have been 'necessary', for most of the show's audience, it did not spoil the show.
I would suggest that perhaps the only people to get worked up about such things are the kind of people who say that dramas are spoiled when black actors are included in the cast (with the obvious exception of when they're playing murderers and/or rapists).
I think the BBC has to take audience attitudes into consideration.
Whilst it has to acknowledge that some, like you, may ask, "Is this necessary", it also has to weigh up the fact that attitudes have changed in the past 51 years. If that scene had (somehow) been shown in William Hartnell's day...or even Sylvester McCoy's, I expect there would have been a major outcry.
As it turns out, the six complaints suggests that whilst the scene may or may not have been 'necessary', for most of the show's audience, it did not spoil the show.
I would suggest that perhaps the only people to get worked up about such things are the kind of people who say that dramas are spoiled when black actors are included in the cast (with the obvious exception of when they're playing murderers and/or rapists).
sp1814
/// Yes, I'm not diverting the question. You asked why after 51 years was there any need for a lesbian kiss. ///
/// First, it wasn't a 'lesbian' kiss, because neither character was playing lesbian. In fact, one wasn't even a human being. ///
So far so good up to this point you are not diverting the question, so let me answer this, regarding the description of a lesbian kiss:
It was not I or even the Daily Mail who classed it a lesbian kiss, it was Auntie BBC's chiefs who though such a scene unsuitable to be shown in Asia, and your own Peter Tatchel and Richard Lane, of gay rights group Stonewall, who couldn't wait to attach a homophobic label to the proceedings.
At this point you are now 'off track'.
/// The reference to Star Trek is valid, because it featured what some consider 'a controversial kiss'. ///
But even so it has nothing to do with this matter, had the subject matter been headlined "CONTROVERSIAL KISSES" then yes maybe.
/// Do you not agree there is a similarity in the way that people reacted to the Star Trek kiss, and this particular scene? ///
I am unaware that only six people complained about this scene, but once again these six did not have the power to remove the scene, it was once again the BBC's decision.
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/// Yes, I'm not diverting the question. You asked why after 51 years was there any need for a lesbian kiss. ///
/// First, it wasn't a 'lesbian' kiss, because neither character was playing lesbian. In fact, one wasn't even a human being. ///
So far so good up to this point you are not diverting the question, so let me answer this, regarding the description of a lesbian kiss:
It was not I or even the Daily Mail who classed it a lesbian kiss, it was Auntie BBC's chiefs who though such a scene unsuitable to be shown in Asia, and your own Peter Tatchel and Richard Lane, of gay rights group Stonewall, who couldn't wait to attach a homophobic label to the proceedings.
At this point you are now 'off track'.
/// The reference to Star Trek is valid, because it featured what some consider 'a controversial kiss'. ///
But even so it has nothing to do with this matter, had the subject matter been headlined "CONTROVERSIAL KISSES" then yes maybe.
/// Do you not agree there is a similarity in the way that people reacted to the Star Trek kiss, and this particular scene? ///
I am unaware that only six people complained about this scene, but once again these six did not have the power to remove the scene, it was once again the BBC's decision.
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Zacs-Master
/// If that's the case AOG why did you muddy the waters by writing //Why after 51 years of screening 'Doctor Who' was there any need to include a Lesbian scene in the first place? /// ?
Not I who "muddied the waters" it seems that the BBC did a perfectly good job of doing that in the first place, along with Peter Tatchel and Richard Lane, of gay rights group Stonewall, if the scene had not existed then there would have been no such bother.
See it is not too difficult is it?
/// If that's the case AOG why did you muddy the waters by writing //Why after 51 years of screening 'Doctor Who' was there any need to include a Lesbian scene in the first place? /// ?
Not I who "muddied the waters" it seems that the BBC did a perfectly good job of doing that in the first place, along with Peter Tatchel and Richard Lane, of gay rights group Stonewall, if the scene had not existed then there would have been no such bother.
See it is not too difficult is it?
AOG
Please read what Richard Lane actually said:
‘It’s a great shame that some audiences were not allowed to see the episode in full.’
Where does he refer to this as a 'lesbian kiss'?
The only people who have referred to it as a lesbian kiss are Peter Tatchell and the Daily Mail.
...and now you.
I proffer the suggestion that you are mistaken in your belief.
Please read what Richard Lane actually said:
‘It’s a great shame that some audiences were not allowed to see the episode in full.’
Where does he refer to this as a 'lesbian kiss'?
The only people who have referred to it as a lesbian kiss are Peter Tatchell and the Daily Mail.
...and now you.
I proffer the suggestion that you are mistaken in your belief.
Would you please pack it in with the insinuations that I'm stupid with your offensive 'see, it's not too difficult is is' comment. It's beneath you and unnecessary. Your question would have held up on its own regarding the fact that the BBC decided to omit the scene in some Asian countries. Your personal opinion was unnecessary and has led to the confusion you have created by it.
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