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Is The Yes Camp Dreaming If They Think They Can Use Article 48?
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There seems to be a lot of head in the sand attitude frm the Yes camp, but experts seem to be saying that article 49 is the only way. It looks like a yes will ensure and EU exit too.
There seems to be a lot of head in the sand attitude frm the Yes camp, but experts seem to be saying that article 49 is the only way. It looks like a yes will ensure and EU exit too.
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Realistically we'll only discover the answers to a lot of these questions afterwards, when people are forced to think about them seriously. I think to some extent the leaders of the "Yes" campaign are relying on the good will and cooperation of all other parties, but that's not a guarantee of course and maybe at least one of the various other sides will scupper their plans.
I really do think Salmond and others should start to acknowledge this properly... no matter the result, it's not going to be emphatic so that he'd never lead his new country to the negotiating table with the strongest hand. Come Friday, this may come back to bite him, and everyone else. Personally, I hope we'll never have to find out.
I really do think Salmond and others should start to acknowledge this properly... no matter the result, it's not going to be emphatic so that he'd never lead his new country to the negotiating table with the strongest hand. Come Friday, this may come back to bite him, and everyone else. Personally, I hope we'll never have to find out.
Personally, as an Englishman, I do hope we find out. The Yes campaign has been deliberately vague or downright misleading on a number of major issues and if the Scots are daft enough to fall for this "Snake Oil" pitch they deserve all they get. As far as this particular issue goes senior figures in the EU (who know more about that organisation than Mr Salmond) have stated publicly that it will be difficult or perhaps impossible for Scotland to join the EU at all as an independent nation, and they will certainly not be "fast tracked" to membership as Mr Salmond has led us to believe.
There is nothing in the Union for England (and to a lesser degree, Wales and NI). The scaremongering going on around Scottish independence is similar to that surrounding the UK's potential withdrawal from the EU. Life will go on in both those circumstances and in the case of the break up of the Union England will gain far more than it loses.
What is outrageous is that the three party leaders have now seen fit to shower the Scots with money and gifts should they deign to stay in the UK. These gifts have to come from somewhere and guess where that's going to be?
There is nothing in the Union for England (and to a lesser degree, Wales and NI). The scaremongering going on around Scottish independence is similar to that surrounding the UK's potential withdrawal from the EU. Life will go on in both those circumstances and in the case of the break up of the Union England will gain far more than it loses.
What is outrageous is that the three party leaders have now seen fit to shower the Scots with money and gifts should they deign to stay in the UK. These gifts have to come from somewhere and guess where that's going to be?
Well put New Judge.
I hope that the No vote wins, but honestly, if I had a vote, and I heard Cameron's mealy-mouthed cod self-effacing garbage, i would be tattooing YES on my forehead!!!
How can he seriously think that making the issue about him detracts from the matters under debate, and why he thinks he can sway people by telling them that under his power he will give them lots of treats, when he has failed thus far so to do, and without his power, he won''t be in a position to do anything at all ever again - so why bother believing him?
For the good of the UK, I hope it's a NO vote, but part of me would love to see that sanctimonious image-concious war-pondering buffoon have to resign.
Oh sory, I forgot, he's a politician, they don't have the honour to do that anymore!
I hope that the No vote wins, but honestly, if I had a vote, and I heard Cameron's mealy-mouthed cod self-effacing garbage, i would be tattooing YES on my forehead!!!
How can he seriously think that making the issue about him detracts from the matters under debate, and why he thinks he can sway people by telling them that under his power he will give them lots of treats, when he has failed thus far so to do, and without his power, he won''t be in a position to do anything at all ever again - so why bother believing him?
For the good of the UK, I hope it's a NO vote, but part of me would love to see that sanctimonious image-concious war-pondering buffoon have to resign.
Oh sory, I forgot, he's a politician, they don't have the honour to do that anymore!
The argument that after a Yes vote the "daft" Scots "deserve all they get" seems a bit harsh if the vote ends up being close. Even the most optimistic "Yes" voters surely recognise that they'll be incredibly unlikely to win any more than, say, 55%-60% of the vote, and even that seems too high. Not sure that the huge proportion of "no" voters that will leave deserve all that follows if it is so bad as you seem to think it will be.
Well if they vote "No", Jim, the daft English will undoubtedly get what they do not deserve - an even more inflated bill to support the Scots. Someone's got to lose out here and it should not be the 92% of the UK population that has no say in this matter.
This was all started by Blair and his ridiculous "devolution" nonsense aimed at appeasing the Scots and hoping they would vote Labour for ever and a day . He was also encouraged by the EU to devolve powers to (what they see as) "the Regions" with the aim of making the UK simply a collection administrative areas of the EU. Well that worked out fine, it seems !
The way for the Scots to put a brake on this is to overwhelmingly vote "No" but they've been taken in by the "Rob Roy" attitude of Mr Salmond and his mates. So they will reap what they will sew. There was no earthly reason to offer the Scots (or the Welsh or N. Irish for that matter) any form of devolution. They are part of the UK in just the same way that Cornwall, London or South East England is. To provide preferential treatment for a minority just on the basis of what part of the country they live is divisive and unhelpful. Far from offering them even more goodies to stay the UK government should have actually pledged to rein in the devolved powers and align the Scots with the rest of the UK. Then there would be a clear choice - you're either in or you're out.
This was all started by Blair and his ridiculous "devolution" nonsense aimed at appeasing the Scots and hoping they would vote Labour for ever and a day . He was also encouraged by the EU to devolve powers to (what they see as) "the Regions" with the aim of making the UK simply a collection administrative areas of the EU. Well that worked out fine, it seems !
The way for the Scots to put a brake on this is to overwhelmingly vote "No" but they've been taken in by the "Rob Roy" attitude of Mr Salmond and his mates. So they will reap what they will sew. There was no earthly reason to offer the Scots (or the Welsh or N. Irish for that matter) any form of devolution. They are part of the UK in just the same way that Cornwall, London or South East England is. To provide preferential treatment for a minority just on the basis of what part of the country they live is divisive and unhelpful. Far from offering them even more goodies to stay the UK government should have actually pledged to rein in the devolved powers and align the Scots with the rest of the UK. Then there would be a clear choice - you're either in or you're out.
The Spanish won't let them use 48 or 49, trouble is already brewing in Catalonia as well as in Basque Spain so I can't imagine Spain will be Alec's new best friend. I expect that when Salmond has succeeded in liberating the Scots from the colonialist oppressor he will gracefully retire to the plaudits of a grateful nation and leave his fellow countrymen to dig themselves out of the new hole that they find themselves in.
'New Judge' talks a lot of sense here. Cameron is just pandering to the Scots and it will be to the detriment of the rest of us. Scotland already receives preferential treatment and now they have been promised more of the same.
After hearing the vitriol that has been sent our way (England)I have reached the stage where I hope the Scots do vote 'Yes', just for the pleasure of watching them stew. Also, it would probably ensure that we wouldn't have another labour Govt. to bankrupt us, at least not in my lifetime.
After hearing the vitriol that has been sent our way (England)I have reached the stage where I hope the Scots do vote 'Yes', just for the pleasure of watching them stew. Also, it would probably ensure that we wouldn't have another labour Govt. to bankrupt us, at least not in my lifetime.
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