Brown "promises" To Powers Will Be Delivered ?

[mikey4444]

I'm not sure if I have this right or not. Gordon Brown is no longer in power. He is just like any other Scottish MP. So how exactly is he able to "promise" anything ? dave is on the only one who can make promises and have the wherewithal to bring them about...well at least until next May of course.

So why is so much been staked on Browns promise ?

[Slapshot]

Gordon Brown was the mouthpiece of the three parties. Couldn't be any of the leaders that delivered it they have no credence north of the border, Milliband doesn't have any credence at his own breakfast table.... It wasn't Browns promise it was the promise of the three party leaders put to Scotland by someone who still has some respect north of the border.

Lots already discuused here:
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1365943-3.html

There will be change, I don't think there's any doubt of that now, it won't be seperatism but change none the less; that has to be good for us all

[naomi24]

//Brown didn't promise anything;//

He did. He promised that the promises made "will be delivered".

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/20/gordon-brown-scotland-yes-no-unite-common-future

[jomifl]

/Milliband doesn't have any credence at his own breakfast table..../ Is that your invention Slapshot? must be worth 'best aswer' even if not entirely relevant..

[Slapshot]

Yup, my own confused thoughts this morning.... I open it up for use.. ;0)

[Quizmonster]

I can quite see, Naomi, how you might possibly expect the coalition leaders to renege on their vow, given their record. However, Gordon Brown - whilst he may have been naive to believe them - was obviously assured that they would NOT recant!

[naomi24]

Quizmonster. You have no idea what I think. However, the fact remains that Gordon Brown in not in a position to promise anything - thank goodness!

[naomi24]

*is not*

[Slapshot]

naomi, please read the first line of my comment, Gordon Brown was put in there BY Cameron, Millibland and Clegg as the mouthpiece, he made a promise on their behalfs. The "Vow" wasn't why I voted no but if any of those clowns had made promises to us directly,no-one would have believed them.

Despite what happened after taking over from B Liar Brown is still a very very good politician and knocks spots off any of the other three right now. Not even Thatcher could have survived what B Liar left Brown to deal with. just think, if the late and very great John Smith hadn't died.... these threads wouldn't even exist

[Quizmonster]

Naomi, how can you conceivably imagine I have "no idea" what you think? You've been around here for some time and have made it abundantly obvious - not to say one-track - what you think!
In any case, in reference to your thought-processes, I used the words, "might possibly" and not "I know."

[naomi24]

Slapshot, He said "the promises made last week must be, and I WILL ENSURE, will be delivered".

[naomi24]

Quizmonster, "might possibly" indicates that you don't know what I think. I was right the first time.

[Gromit]

// Why is an MP that votes on behalf of his constituants rather than a diktak from a party a bonehead Gromit? //

If there are any Tory rebels that vote against it, they will in effect be trying to break a promise. Not a good message when you are promoting your election manifesto. Also it will present a disunited party to the voters.

Voting against the bill will not be the wishes of the constituents of Chipping Norton. Most Tories will be happy that the Union has been preserved.

[Quizmonster]

Naomi, I would never claim to know everything you - or anyone else - might think and I am still none the wiser about the area of knowledge my "might possibly" referred to. That's because you haven't replied to the query imherent in my comment. Here it is again, this time as an actual question...
WOULD you expect the coalition leaders to renege on their vow, given their record?
If the answer is 'Yes', that would clearly condemn them and, if it is 'No', then you surely can find no fault in Gordon Brown's belief that they meant what they signed-up to.

[naomi24]

Quizmonster,// I am still none the wiser about the area of knowledge my "might possibly" referred to.//

Well, you said it, so if you're none the wiser you can hardly expect anyone else to know what you're talking about.

I didn't realise your post contained a question to me. No, I wouldn't expect them to renege on their promises. However, Gordon Brown might believe they won't, but he is in no position to promise that he will personally ensure they don't - that empty promise being the subject of this thread.

[New Judge]

"If there are any Tory rebels that vote against it, they will in effect be trying to break a promise."

Or, of course, if there are any MPs from any other party, Gromit. But it was not a promise that they made, nor one on which they were consulted so they can scarcely be accused of trying to break it. These promises of money and gifts were made on the back of a single flawed poll that put the "Yes" camp marginally in front. Out rolled the three stooges, EasyJet up to Glasgow with bags full of folding that was not theirs to give away. The leaders overlooked, as they so often do, the tiresome matter that there are 647 other Honourable Members who have to agree with their largesse. Any problems that result from their rush of blood are theirs and nobody else's. The Scots should have been told at that stage (especially as a number of them had already cast their votes by post) that the deal as it currently stands remains. If they like it, stay, if not they can do the other thing.

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ I agree that that the three leaders have no authority but I think your maths is wrong. The most MPs needed is 325 so another 322 MPs need to support them.

[New Judge]

Yes quite so, Corby. Thanks for the correction.

[Quizmonster]

But then, of course, Naomi, Gordon Brown's 'promise' is no more empty that the coalition leaders' one! If they lied to him, as now seems probable, then they lied to the voters of Scotland. Consequently, I think the independence referendum - far from having been sorted out once and for all - ought to be re-run at the governing parties' expense forthwith.

[naomi24]

That's not the issue.

[New Judge]

If every election was re-run because it was subsequently discovered politicians had lied (perish the thought!) we'd be in a constant state of polling :-)