Rise Of The Far Right In Britain

[mikey4444]

Beware if you see any reference to a new Party called " Britain First" It is in effect a new Far-Right party, formed by ex-Members of the BNP ::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First

It might look quite cuddly and very patriotic, with its images of the Queen, poppies and suchlike but its the same tired old band of Fascist thugs, for whom Asians are the new Jews. I have warned about the rise of the Far Right on AB before, especially in Europe but these Fascists are marching in Britain, not Berlin. We ignore these racist thugs at our peril.

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// almost all of us think the "Britain First" and the BNP are a lot of knobheads....don't we ?...please ? ///

Most, including myself had never heard of Britain First until you posted on them.

Are all people who have certain different beliefs than yourself also a load of knobheads?

Are all Christians or Muslims knobheads as well?

[Orderlimit]

(hey thats kool, Svejk, we will have to discuss it on another thread one day), mikeys worn me out

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Don't drop any more red herrings into this debate...please ! ///

You mean don't post other evidence that opposes your own bigoted views.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "mikey4444

/// Don't drop any more red herrings into this debate...please ! ///

You mean don't post other evidence that opposes your own bigoted views."

I think my response to mikey on that subject dealt with the issue - not really any need to add an insult is there?

[BlackadderV]

By introducing the word 'knobhead' you have deprived this thread of any meaningful discussion.

[ludwig]

// By introducing the word 'knobhead' you have deprived this thread of any meaningful discussion. //

Why, Is it like a codeword or something?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

Thank you Andy, always the perfect gentleman, it's been an exhausting as well as an enjoyable debate.

[Orderlimit]

mikey4444

/// Don't drop any more red herrings into this debate...please ! ///

You mean don't post other evidence that opposes your own bigoted views.


lol, very good MR AOG

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I think my response to mikey on that subject dealt with the issue - not really any need to add an insult is there? ///

So sorry Andy, being insulting is not my usual premise, but insults are so often used on AB that sometimes they tend to rub off on one in heated discussion.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "andy-hughes

Thank you Andy, always the perfect gentleman, it's been an exhausting as well as an enjoyable debate."

And thank you to you and everyone else - always an enjoyable way to spend some of the day.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "andy-hughes

/// I think my response to mikey on that subject dealt with the issue - not really any need to add an insult is there? ///

So sorry Andy, being insulting is not my usual premise, but insults are so often used on AB that sometimes they tend to rub off on one in heated discussion."

A fair point - well made.

[Orderlimit]

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf


this is a worthwhile read (sorry, I dont know if the download is safe)

[Orderlimit]

^^ WARNING :viewer discretion advised

[Zeuhl]

^order

Your link appears to be from the Law and Freedom foundation which is just the new name for 'Mosquebusters'

They are some of the islamaphobic activists trying to obstruct muslim activity

do you think the 'worthwhile reading' in your link is likely to be objective and honest?

[mikey4444]

AOG...if women are not as relatively unknown for paedophilia as men are, what would be your estimate of the % committed by women, rather then men ?

This is a real question, because I am unaware of even where to go to look. If its 50/50, than I will admit I have made a mistake !

[Orderlimit]

To be honest zeulh, I only skim read it once butut has many links to newspapaer and other publications which can be cross-referenced & checked etc. THanks I didnt realise that the Law and Freedom foundation is the new name for 'Mosquebusters'.

[chaptazbru2]

'We ignore these racist thugs at our peril'. Do we really ???

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// AOG...if women are not as relatively unknown for paedophilia as men are, what would be your estimate of the % committed by women, rather then men ? ///

/// This is a real question, because I am unaware of even where to go to look. If its 50/50, than I will admit I have made a mistake ! ///

I am not prepared to banter on regarding fractions or percentages enough to say that I produced evidence that your statement that /// There is a common factor running through all these cases of paedophilia and child abuse, and it isn't religion or race......its men ///

Not 50% or indeed 50/50

Was untrue.

[mikey4444]

I can find no evidence for any widespread practise of paedophilia by women.
But you disagree, and in order to disagree, you must have some evidence to the contrary. This evidence could be a hunch on your part, or anecdotal. That is why I asked this very civil question, and it wasn't banter.

If you just have a inkling that lots of women commit paedophile offences but can't produce evidence......well that is OK...this isn't a Court of Law and I am not asking you to swear on the Bible.

Why are you so bad-tempered about this ? I only asked a question out of genuine curiosity ! There is no need to be rude !

I have just found this, on the Wiki entry for paedophilia ::

"The prevalence of pedophilia in the general population is not known,[30][63] but is estimated to be lower than 5% among adult men.[30] "Most sexual offenders against children are male, although female offenders may account for 0.4% to 4% of convicted sexual offenders. On the basis of a range of published reports, McConaghy estimates a 10 to 1 ratio of male-to-female child molesters."[4] It is believed that the true number of female pedophiles is underrepresented by available estimates, and that reasons for this may include a "societal tendency to dismiss the negative impact of sexual relationships between young boys and adult women, as well as women’s greater access to very young children who cannot report their abuse", among other explanations"

So it would appear that the estimate is about 0.4% to 10% in women, although the article does say the it is under-reported in women.

[agchristie]

There is a lot of misinformation bandied about concerning BF whose patriotic stance is constantly dismissed out of hand as racism.

I would say look at the situation in Hexthorpe in S.Yorks and the population there whose lives are blighted by the intimidation and anti-social behaviour of Roma immigrants. Look at Rotheram and in particular the impassioned speech given by the impressive Jayda Fransen who is standing for election in Rochester & Strood. Look at Dover and the anti BF protestor who disrespected an 80yo woman who served in the Falklands but no, the BF get the criticism.

On each occasion the BF have acted within the law and marched not in a thuggish, indisciplined Nazi style fashion, but with a common purpose, putting Britain First.

The Rochester campaign got under way at the weekend and many opposition protestors had their faces covered up and unsuccessfully failed to halt the BF's progress. Among locals there is huge opposition to the building of another mosque in Medway but of course, this is seen as racist.

UKIP will trounce the opposition on the 20th and voters are fed up on issues such as Europe and Immigration. BF take them very seriously and whereas UKIP wont tackle problems associated with Islam, Golding and Fransen are tackling them head on. They may mot be popular among many but with over half a million followers on FB their popularity is growing and there are sure to be many more campaigns to follow.