Teenage mum story.

[Shipstabber]

Our local news programme last night featured a story about a girl who managed to pass her GCSEs despite having a baby around exam time. The story had a congratulatory 'didn't she do well' light-hearted tone, which I found disturbing. I'm not saying her acheivements shouldn't be acknowledged but to make it seem like she was more special than her classmates, who managed to take their GCSEs without getting knocked up, seemed wrong. Plus, should we really be celebrating a 15/16 year old who knows nothing about abstinence, safe sex or contraception?

[Annielappo]

i have met some nasty people in my time but you ward minter are the nastiest.  I hope for your sake you have no children,  and if you do I feel sorry for them they have one hell of a bitter and twisted parent.  Can I also add that your partner must be counting there lucky stars they have found someone has understanding and caring and thinks of other people as much as you do.  As I said before everyone is entitled to there opinon but to be so bitchy and nasty is very uncalled for.  No doubt you will reply to this message in the same tone as your last post. I think you are a foul person, much fouler then the teenage mums of this world. Remind me never to come to your house for a cup of sugar.  God knows what reply i'd get.

[spinchimp]

Ward-Minter - if you are serious I feel sorry for you (more sorry however for anyone who becomes a victim of your rampant and mindless prejudices). I hope its just a wind up, but then hope springs eternal.........

[jno]

I used to know kids who had fathers like Ward Minter who 'wouldn't let them take drugs'.

They took drugs. Funny how things work out sometimes. Few professions are more likely to end in tears than that of the controlling parent.

[Ward-Minter]

It's not a case of a dominating parent. I simply took my kids to a heroin pit and stated this is the real face of HARD drugs.

 

Luckily for me they have never touched drugs. Further as one of them is at Military School random testing is permitted so I think it will be his choice.

 

The other is not allowed to even smoke at school, if so i will be fined I believe �3000.

 

Know what you are saying though. One of the "baddest" lads at school was the son of a Judge and the "easiest" girl I knew at uni was the daughter of a vicar. I suppose rebellion is a part of them growing up.

 

I don't know how old you are jno but I do question why the kids of today feel so compelled to take drugs. They were around when I was young but it seemed all my friends opted for the sneaky cider or thunderbird. Even a quick ciggy was seen as very dangerous.

[jno]

People take drugs for numerous reasons, one of them being peer pressure - and another is parental pressure, though in reverse. Cider is, of course, a drug too, and I suppose (because I don't like cider) that people take it for the same reason as, say, ecstasy: makes the evening go more agreeably, makes you feel better in some way. The difference is in legality; but I can hardly blame young people for suspecting older ones are legalising their own drugs while banning those taken by their juniors.

To return to Shipstabber's original question: sex is also something young people do, though in this case the pressure to do it does come from the older generation. (The ones who run the advertising business, the ones who make Big Brother...) I don't think it is helpful or accurate to characterise those who yield to this pressure as slags. Nor is it wise to assume the girl in question knows nothing of contraception; contraceptives fail. All we know is that she got pregnant, decided not to have an abortion, and managed, despite motherhood, to get some GCSEs. That sounds like hard work to me, and I see no reason to object to hard work.

[Ward-Minter]

Without condescending you jno, she was awful. The only time she did any hard work was when she was on her back taking it from the numerous chavs she knew from her estate.

 

Now hard work is a good attribute which i commend any young (and indeed old) person to undertake. However, I question how hard GCSE's are nowadays (debate in own right) and the fact her grades were not exactly brilliant (I think 3 C's and a bunch of fails, but I may be wrong).

 

Further, I question your response about contraception. Abortion is a form of contraception, or more a form of birth control. Yes, it may not be ideal and has moral/religious/ethical issues surrounding it. But it is an option.

 

This girl is a product of her own ill-informed education. I find it most strange that people harp on about freedom of choice, liberty, peer pressure, kids will be kids, blah blah blah. The chances are the little sprogg she dropped will be a bad egg. That is reality. Not all kids from such homes become bad and likewise not all rich little posh kids become lawyers and doctors but on the whole like begats like.

 

The fact that this girl went to the media with her story shows what kind of kid she is. "Oh look at me, I have a kid and I am only 15, wow" I imagine her work-shy mum probably put her up to it just to raise a few more quid on top of their social.

[Sasha13]

Ward-Minter - I agree with many of the points that you've made, but unfortunately, the vitriolic way that you state your case ultimately undermines your argument. That said, many people will have been thinking what you have said and freedom of speech works both ways. Interesting thread, this.

[Ward-Minter]

Sasha I have no argument to undermine. I am right. We live in a country where its capital has more of a fear of violence than any other capital in the world. We have by far the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the Western World. Add to this the highest rate of juvenile crime in the northern hemisphere. And all this is without mentioning the fact we have home-grown terrorists and voluntary unemployment amongst left wing do gooders.

 

I am sorry but there is no argument. We are turning into a cr*p country ruled by morons who prefer to help the bad as opposed to expunge the problem. I have fought for this country in four wars and if people say I am bitter, too bloody right.  Whatever next, join the French??

[Sasha13]

My point is that you say that certain sections of society are scum (and believe me, many people will agree with you, myself included). However because of the way that you phrase your answers some people will inevitably include you in that category which is a shame. How would you go about rectifying the situations of which you speak in your thread previous to this one?

[Ward-Minter]

Sasha,

If taking three shots to my chest whilst serving this country during wartime, never taking a handout in my life, representing England at Schoolboy rugby, contributing to the system with super-tax, never broken the law in my life (apart from speeding), served as a key witness to drug barons in London and bringing up two wonderful children in the face of adversity makes me scum then there really is no hope for those believers. Is there?

 

Rectify the situation???? Well for starters get rid of this Govt.

1) Bring back National Service

2) Bring back Capital Punishment

3) Stop Immigration and Asylum

4) Open more prisons

5) Stop State benefits

6) Untie all links to Europe

7) Totally reshape education into needs of society and not the standard subjects.

8) Reward success

9) Give Wales to the Welsh

10) Declare war on Norway

11) Privatise the BBC

12) Give Gurkhas a decent pension

13) Make cruelty to animals a more severe crime

14) Put more Police on the streets

15) Up the speed limit on certain roads

 

PS Declaring war on Norway was a joke.

[kaktus]

Ward Minter I have a question for you, and this totally off from the question, sorry shipstabber.

If left wing do gooders or what it is you called them, are so bad. How come that we in the Scandinavian countries, have such a low crime, corruption, teenage pregnancy etc. rate and the unemployment rate is at least like other European countries? I'm assuming here, that if anything would be left wing, do gooding (don't think that's a word ;0) ) to you, it would be the Scandinavian Welfare models. Correct me if I'm wrong...

[Ward-Minter]

I hold no opinion of a nation that bases its entire culture on pornography and whaling. Sorry

[kaktus]

Excuse me??  Leave Norway out of it if you please. But I wonder why you will not answer me, don't you have any or what?

[Ward-Minter]

Sorry Kaktus what exactly is your question????????? If you want me to compare English issues with your home grown ones I am afraid it is simply impossible.

 

We are too different to make comparasons. Your left wing politics are not exactly New Labour are they, nor, with total respect, is any Scandy country a tour de force on a global scale. However the fact youhave a low crime rate is probably due to the fact you punish crimes better than in UK. Which is exactly my point.

 

Regarding your benefits system, is that not linked to a good level of employment. Again my point. I am sure you live in a democracy so if your folk want to pay for the work-shy scrounging scum that befalls the world let them. It really is no issue of mine. However, those useless pieces of council estate wasters that I see everyday in the UK are my issue.

 

P.S What was your question exactly again???

[kaktus]

Why can't you compare Britain with a Scandinavian country? I know you list some reasons, but countries are compared all the time, to look at laws, regulations etc. to see what work or doesn't work. Since no country/state is exactly like another, one could never compare two countries in your perception, or did I misunderstand you?

You make an assumption about how the Danish system punish criminals. I must admit that I have no clue what so ever how the British system work, so I really can't say if we punish harder. In Denmark the hardest prison sentence a criminal normally can get is 16 years. This obviously is for murder, furthermore you can get life in very RARE cases where the criminal is not mentally insane, but the crime has been VERY serious. Life is usually given to Hells Angels members or the like. Then there is where the criminal is placed in a ward, because of mentally illness and they endanger the life of others, this also happens rarely, in these cases the sentence is reviewed every five year. Rape can in very extreme cases give 8 years, I think the "normal" sentences given is about one to two years, I'm not sure though. Violence obviously differs very much, I think the frame is from a suspended sentence (is it called that?) to six or eight years, work out what you get for what yourself. As another point it has been proved countless times that punisment does not reduce crime. It's not the point of punishment either. I've never ever heard of a somebody who did not commit a murder/violence/rape etc. because the punishment would be too hard, have you?

My question was: How come the policies you despice can result in a countries where the crime rates etc. are some of the lowest in world? But I'll guess I'll just say nevermind because you won't compare the countries to Britain. Along that line, I guess I can just say nevermind to the above as that would be comparing too. It's up to you.

[kaktus]

There wasn't room for it in my above post, but just wanted to say sorry Shibstabber. If you want me to shut up since I'm so off topic, just say so :0)

[Ward-Minter]

You have kind of answered your own question. I can not compare like with like. For one I don't know much about Denmark apart from Carlsberg is utter ***** and your bacon is too salty. It would therefore be wrong of me to make assumptions. I am not particularly well read regarding your country. To tell you the truth I don't think I have read anything at all. Infact, I didn't even know you were communists. Thought you were neutral!!!

 

Regarding your point that punishment doesn't reduce crime I don't really care. I am not in the business of social work. Although, ultimately yes the idea of erradicating crime will be most welcome it ain't gonna happen baby. Prison or not.

Punishment means punishment. That's it. It does not mean rehabilitation, does not act as a plateau for reducing crime. It is simply punishment.

However, if a prolific burglar for example goes to prison the local crime will be reduced all the time he is inside. That is fairly obvious.

 

Alas, bring the death penalty back. That'll teach them!!!