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Labour In Denial?
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I know there's plenty of time but can anyone see a labour majority in May now? According to the article,- "The poll also suggested that the percentage of people who agreed with the statement that Ed Miliband is ready to be prime minister was down from 22% in June to 13%." - Ed is now a Liability that probably cannot now be jettisoned. Looks like 2020 at the earliest chaps, back to the drawing board!
I know there's plenty of time but can anyone see a labour majority in May now? According to the article,- "The poll also suggested that the percentage of people who agreed with the statement that Ed Miliband is ready to be prime minister was down from 22% in June to 13%." - Ed is now a Liability that probably cannot now be jettisoned. Looks like 2020 at the earliest chaps, back to the drawing board!
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Down in the noise still.
Down in the noise still.
TTT...I will agree with you that a Labour victory is looking less likely than it did some months ago, but it is still more likely than a Tory victory. dave is still finding it is impossible to get ahead, and stay ahead of Labour in any Poll. And as OG has implied, its not as if the people are wildly popular about dave either, the only other possible candidate for Number Ten.
Alan Johnson was talked about quite favourably on AB last week, although he has said quite categorically that he will never stand for the Labour Leadership.
He wrote a very good article in the Guardian yesterday. Taken from it are some following points ::
Under Osborne, productivity is abysmal, business investment is weak, and exports are struggling. Meanwhile our national debt is rising faster than any other country in Europe, bar Spain. Borrowing was supposed to 10% down by now, according to Osborne, but is instead 6% up. The Coalition has borrowed more in 3 years than the previous Labour borrowed in 13. Immigration, often blamed on Labour, has risen out of control since 2010, despite dave saying that he would do something about it.
Our present Government claimed that the recession was just a national phenomenon, all Labours fault, rather than a global one. and it still refuses to mention the banks in any of its analysis of what caused the financial crisis. Instead it continues to blame Labour for everything, despite the aforesaid crisis in the American Sub Prime market not being caused by Labours insistence in employing more nurses and Policemen, and introducing the minimum wage.
Johnson said that Ed had not followed dave down the populist path and he praises him for not promising a referendum, because Ed, like dave and Cleggie do not want to leave the EU, but dave is promising a referendum as a way of dealing with the disunity in the Tory party.
All the above may go a long way to explaining way dave is still behind in the Polls, and has been since soon after the last Election. The people may hate dave less than Ed but they still don't believe him or his Party, because they have seen what has happened in the last four and a half years and they realise the folly of allowing dave to continue any longer then necessary.
Alan Johnson was talked about quite favourably on AB last week, although he has said quite categorically that he will never stand for the Labour Leadership.
He wrote a very good article in the Guardian yesterday. Taken from it are some following points ::
Under Osborne, productivity is abysmal, business investment is weak, and exports are struggling. Meanwhile our national debt is rising faster than any other country in Europe, bar Spain. Borrowing was supposed to 10% down by now, according to Osborne, but is instead 6% up. The Coalition has borrowed more in 3 years than the previous Labour borrowed in 13. Immigration, often blamed on Labour, has risen out of control since 2010, despite dave saying that he would do something about it.
Our present Government claimed that the recession was just a national phenomenon, all Labours fault, rather than a global one. and it still refuses to mention the banks in any of its analysis of what caused the financial crisis. Instead it continues to blame Labour for everything, despite the aforesaid crisis in the American Sub Prime market not being caused by Labours insistence in employing more nurses and Policemen, and introducing the minimum wage.
Johnson said that Ed had not followed dave down the populist path and he praises him for not promising a referendum, because Ed, like dave and Cleggie do not want to leave the EU, but dave is promising a referendum as a way of dealing with the disunity in the Tory party.
All the above may go a long way to explaining way dave is still behind in the Polls, and has been since soon after the last Election. The people may hate dave less than Ed but they still don't believe him or his Party, because they have seen what has happened in the last four and a half years and they realise the folly of allowing dave to continue any longer then necessary.
The fact that Tory electioneering seems to concentrate on rubbishing the Labour leader's personality shows the paucity of any other ammunition in their armoury - they came to (shared) power based on condemning Labour's borrowing record, but have themselves borrowed more in five years than Labour in twelve. Also poverty levels have soared, soup kitchens at an all-peace-time high, NHS crumbling as creeping privatisation pours millions of pounds into rich institutional shareholders' coffers, nurses getting 1% pay rises compared with MP's 11%, etc etc. Only the rich support the Nasty Party.
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TTT...as you say...May it is !
Thanks Canary and Bouncer...but the words are all Alan Johnson's. For those that want the whole script, here it is ::
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What a pity that we can't persuade him to stand !
Thanks Canary and Bouncer...but the words are all Alan Johnson's. For those that want the whole script, here it is ::
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What a pity that we can't persuade him to stand !
Labour now 3 points ahead in the latest Poll, this time commissioned by The Sun ::
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So it would seem that despite the dark forces briefing in the background about Ed, his Party is still more popular than dave's.
So my oft-asked question still remains...if Ed is supposed to be so unpopular, why can't dave get ahead in the Polls and stay ahead ?
Could it be that the British people are making their minds up for themselves and ignoring all the poison that the right wing press pour out ?
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So it would seem that despite the dark forces briefing in the background about Ed, his Party is still more popular than dave's.
So my oft-asked question still remains...if Ed is supposed to be so unpopular, why can't dave get ahead in the Polls and stay ahead ?
Could it be that the British people are making their minds up for themselves and ignoring all the poison that the right wing press pour out ?
Millie HAS to go. He's a liability. I was a member of the Labour Party for years and resigned my membership when he became leader, by the 11th hour back door method.. I will never trust anyone who stabbed his own brother in the back to get the top job. David Miliband was the better choice and people , who voted. now know that. Who to replace Mr Ed though that's the problem. Alan Johnson, who I'd much prefer, will not stand, so else is there? Maybe Andy Burnham? Maybe he's too young, too inexperienced. Maybe he's a future leader though.
Janbee ...I don't think Ed stabbed his brother in the back. They both went for the job and Ed won. If he had won against any other MP, would we say that he stabbed them in the back when he won ?
To ditch Ed now, so close to an election, when Labour is ahead and the Tories are on the back foot would be foolish. It could be argued that if Boris or anyone else were to replace dave, the Tories chances of winning would be increased.
We will see next week, after the by-election in Rochester, whether daves woeful position will get better or worse. If UKIP win next week, they will then have 2 MPs in Westminster, both stolen from the Tories, and more importantly, the Tories will have 2 MPs less.
To ditch Ed now, so close to an election, when Labour is ahead and the Tories are on the back foot would be foolish. It could be argued that if Boris or anyone else were to replace dave, the Tories chances of winning would be increased.
We will see next week, after the by-election in Rochester, whether daves woeful position will get better or worse. If UKIP win next week, they will then have 2 MPs in Westminster, both stolen from the Tories, and more importantly, the Tories will have 2 MPs less.
Sorry Mikey, I usually agree with you but I can't on this occasion. Ed decided to join the race at the 11th hour, knowing how much his brother coveted that job. David was by far, a much better proposition but Ed scraped in by the skin of his teeth. I don't trust Ed but then I don't trust any politician. Labour will struggle at the election and it'll be mainly to the presence of Ed. They'll HAVE to take stock soon and decide the future . I think the May election is now already lost for them. Labour depends very much on it's Scottish votes but they've fallen by the wayside now. Even Cammy is more popular in Scotland than Ed. OMG, I despair ! !
Sadly, Labour will be out of office for another 5 years, but I hope they will wake up and get in again in 2020.
Sorry Mikey... xx
Sadly, Labour will be out of office for another 5 years, but I hope they will wake up and get in again in 2020.
Sorry Mikey... xx
I've never seen a Labour majority. Even without Miliband, Brits seldom vote anyone out after just one parliament. I've been saying this since the last election, and it wouldn't have mattered who became leader. I dubt the Tories will get an overall majority though , since they didn't even manage that last time.
